cut or uncut

[trunkbrief]

How many of the members on here are cut or uncut / im uncut. come on guys there has to be more of us out there with foreskin i love all cocks but i like uncut more

[sharako]

your pool is flawed it doesn't take in to account those restoring and who have restored.. once cut your cut but you can restore for a restored status. i said cut but im actively restoring.

[deadgoodundiesdotcom]

CUT!!!! makes my eyes water just thinking about.
Thankfully uncut (thanks mum and dad)

[readysalted]

uncut

most of my mates have been uncut, one in particular had a big loose foreskin which was a joy to play with, but have a couple of mates who've been cut, and i don't think it makes any difference (except the comment above obviously lol)
cut blokes in tight undies do seem to have a more prominent and noticeable head, which always gets me drooling

[dayne]

I'm cut but have been asked more than once if I am or not. My Doctor was very generous in the amount of skin he left. I have been told that it would be a simple matter to restore. I am happy the way I am :cool: I would have to say I have the best of both posible situations!

[ballucanb]

Un-cut, all four boys in our house, were left as is. but the next generation for whatever reason were cut, I'm gay and didn't have any kids...

[bendigo]

Uncut!

My parents (and Doctor) either defied fashion or were years ahead of it, so I was certainly in the minority when I went to school.

I was never unhappy wih the arrangement, and as I've got older, realise I was lucky.

There was never any question of my son being mutilated, and he is in the majority in his generation!

[trunkbrief]

When I was born my doctor didnt want to do it when I was a day or two old he wanted to wait until I was like 6 months old and my mom said no . I was the minority when I went to school. I was made fun of when I went to the bathroom one of the boys in my class saw my little bird ( at the time ) and saw all the skin and I guess sense mine didnt look like his I was the wierd one. That made me very self conscious about myself. But Im very proud of not being cut now, no complaints. My brother is cut different doctor and hospital.

[trunkbrief]

Ok Where Are All The Uncut Guys At Vote Vote !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fascinatedbyit]

was cut at an early age and have no regrets, sitting here in my 2xist y fronts and jeans, i can feel my cock head rubbing against the fabric and it's a great sensation. never had a problem with sensitivity here and i luv the feeling of my uncut meat. in saying that, i have a big thing for guys with foreskin as well.

[SweatyAussie]

http://usg-online.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2519

Cut, since you asked.

I realise that there are probably lots of new members who didn't see the previous poll, which in any case is now closed, but I really can't think of anything more to add to what I already said in that earlier poll.

[slythering]

Okay guys-humour me.

How come so many of you are circumscised? Are you all jewish or gay or jewish and gay?

Are the majority of members american of a certain age when circumscision was the norm? Is it still routine for babies?

The only guys I know in England that are circumscised are jewish or muslim! Oh one friend at school had it done 'cos he couldn't piss!

[sharako]

well in America cut is the norm unfortunately im not jewish and i am gay and i loath being cut. its a horrid barbaric practice it should be a choice at the age 18 or older.

[The Bondsman]

This will be a long post, .....and I have hesitated to put this information on the board for a long while, but since this topic is in for another chop, .....I'm going to post for reader's information only.
IF you do NOT wish to read possibly upsetting medical information regarding circumcision....STOP NOW!
You have been warned!
All of this medical information is correct and direct from recent medical journals.

The sexually transmitted virus that causes such devastating cancer of the cervix in women is the Human Papillomavirus (HPV), and it's also responsible for the sharp rises nowadays seen in throat cancer. Here in OZ, a very clever doctor invented a vaccine that effectively stops Cervical and throat cancer by blocking the effects of HPV. It's now being given to ALL school age girls, but not to any boys, even those who identify as gay.
Now I don't need to remind you of the gay attraction to the joys of oral sex, ....and it was found that those who had had more than six oral sex partners, (not very many I'm sure you will agree), were 8.6 times more likely to develop throat cancer. More than six went up from there!
Those who are currently infected with the HPV virus (and it's VERY common), were 32 times more likely to develop cancer. NOT good odds at all!
Homosexual/bisexual men who have anal intercourse with uncircumcised men have FAR higher rates of rectal cancer due to the presence of HVP.
If you have ever had anal warts, (these are directly caused by the HPV, probably from under a sexual partner's foreskin), then make sure your doc looks further up, because he may otherwise miss the much more serious pre-cancerous dysplasia inside the rectal canal.
get a colonoscopy!

Want to know where the highest concentrations of HVP are found?
I knew you'd ask, ....and yes, it's right under the good old human foreskin!
Think about THAT next time you're munching away on a chewy foreskin, or greasing one up for insertion in your rectum!
The circumcised penis carries virtually no HVP whatsoever.
Could be a case of "do it for your partner" really!

To add to those bleak facts, now studies are showing that circumcision carries REAL benefits in avoiding HIV and Syphilis.
I was always told that HIV and syphilis usually entered the human body through tears in the rectum or the urethra, ....but this is now thought to be a far less common occurrence than it's FAR easier route, ...the porous underside of the foreskin. There is something about the quality of skin found there that makes passage of the HIV virus and syphilis very easy, and the moisture enables the virus to live longer until it can cross through the foreskin and infect the blood of the owner of the uncut dick.
A few months ago, the World Health Organisation STOPPED two large clinical trials of circumcision as a prophylaxis it was conducting in Kenya and Uganda, where HIV/Aids is rife, because it felt the results were SO overwhelmingly positive for the circumcised group that it could not ethically proceed without offering those in the uncircumcised control group the chance to take the life-saving benefits of circumcision.
WHO's HIV/AIDS Director Dr. Kevin De COCK, :eek: ( I kid you not! You can't make up names like this!) said, "While circumcision is not a magic bullet, it does have the potential to prevent many hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions of infections over the coming years."
The test results make interesting reading.
The Kenyan study involved 2784 men aged 18 to 24, the circumcised men showed a 53% rate of reduction of HIV infection, compared with the uncut guys.
The Ugandan study involved 4996 men aged 15 to 49. The circumcised men were 48% less likely to be infected.
This means that circumcision may not prevent all cases of transmission, ....but it sure as hell reduces the risk by half, and as there are NO second chances with HIV, this alone may save your life in a risky situation.

Here in OZ, boys are no longer routinely circumcised, ....and there is a corresponding rise now in syphilis and HI, and even the previously unheard of rectal cancer as these kids get to and pass sexual maturity, ...not to mention a huge rise in the numbers of guys having to be cut at a later age, when it IS painful, for other medical reasons such as phimosis and persistent infections.
I grow a little weary of the claim by inexperienced men and women(?) that it's painful and a traumatic experience for a week old kid. Speaking as one with first hand (dick?) experience, I can tell you I simply cannot remember a thing about it. I certainly do NOT feel a loss when I look at the droopy, frilly accoutrements of other guys, .....in fact I take pride it the neatness and shape of my exposed glans. And the knowledge that it's ALWAYS clean, free from smegma (yuk) and ready to be sucked, ....not to mention HVP free!
As for mutilation? Sure, but so is tattooing, piercing, face lifts, nose-jobs and ear pinning and most dentistry. The removal of an appendix is technically "mutilation", but on that basis how many of you would stand by and watch your kid die in agony rather than "mutilate"?
Or less dramatically, see your daughter go through life with an enormous nose ruining her looks and making her an item of ridicule?
Now I KNOW this has been a VERY long post, ....no whinging from SweatyAussie please, ....you were warned at the beginning. I post this for your information only, ignore or act on it as you wish or not, but please realise that the uncircumcised dick presents real dangers not only to the health of others, but to it's owner as well.
Don't know about you, .....but depending on what you like to do sexually, there are some considerations to be made.
Gay men are at real risk from HVP at BOTH ends! Think about this!

(And HIV/Aids is just not something to be risked at all, even for a moment!)

[deusex]

Bondsman,

I know from the previous (tedious?) uncut vs cut discussion your passionate views on all this, but I still want to point out that there's always two sides to most medical studies....

I'm not going to get into debate, but to everyone I just want to say inform yourself. There's a lot of recent articles for and against circumcision. Just to balance against the circumcision pros here's a quick article from 2007:

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5192.html

There's no right or wrong, but informed decisions. My main worry if and when they find concrete evidence about HIV prevention and circumcision is that it will give guys a license to go around having unprotected sex. The fact is most infections still occur from semen to blood - and a condom (or abstinence!) is still a pretty good prevention for that.

This argument above of course has nothing to do with HPV.

I also want to mention that good hygiene is probably a good idea for the old foreskin too!

[sharako]

regardless if its good or bad we should not be forcing children men or women in to mutilate their genatels they should feal that they want there body like that....if one is forced in to it it can leave one mentally scared...i at one point wanted to kill my self over it.... can we please keep the medical shit out of it...i don't trust them any ways. there incompetent! so if you think a little cut is worth it fine do it to your fucking self other wise hands off my genatels and i make my own deshion what to do with them. I truly hope males get the equal rights to genatel integrity that women have... thats right people us goverment prevents alteration of a womans genatels till age 18 males dont....so let your boy decide for him self at 18.

there i said it. Happy?

P.S i can never be whole again, but i can damn sure save others from my shame.

[The Bondsman]

Bondsman,I know from the previous (tedious?) uncut vs cut discussion your passionate views on all this, !
Hmmm,....and here was I trying to keep my personal views out of the argument and report the research. Of course there will always be doctors who disagree for whatever reasons they may have. Some still cling to the view that the HIV virus has nothing at all to do with AIDS.
The fact is most infections still occur from semen to blood - and a condom (or abstinence!) is still a pretty good prevention for that.!
And that would indeed be fine, if all gay men could be relied on to actually use the damn things, .....but with the increasing rise of "bare-backing" in videos and actual practice, and gay men's notorious flaunting of safe-sex when a clandestine sexual opportunity arises, or there's just no condom available, or the big head is SO stuffed with drugs that a false sense of invulnerability takes over, .....abstinence and condom use are the first thoughts abandoned.
In all of those VERY frequent cases, any protection offered is better than NONE! You may not even know when it has saved your life, ....but it just might have done so.
This argument above of course has nothing to do with HPV.!
HPV caused rectal/throat cancer kills you just as dead as full blown AIDS, ...and the journey is no more "pretty".
I also want to mention that good hygiene is probably a good idea for the old foreskin too!
Here on a board that has many threads devoted to the swapping and wearing of other people's very drastically soiled underwear, ....pissed pants and "skiddie" production, wearing the same dirty underwear for weeks, pics of undies SO encrusted with secondary mould that they rival a petrie dish of old gorgonzola, and even a mooted travelling pair of multiple-partner soiled underwear, we talk about "hygiene"???? :eek: :eek: :eek:
I have read many threads where the smell and smegma under the foreskin, (which the HPV just loves), ...is the main "delight" of the encounter.
Gay sex, and indeed str8 sex can be notoriously "unhygienic, ...that's the very nature of it!
As I said in the original post, ....the choice is yours, ...but please make it an informed one.
Certainly ignore my "preferences" by all means. I'm not the one who'll be taking the consequences.

[The Bondsman]

regardless if its good or bad we should not be forcing children men or women in to mutilate their genatels.
No one is "forcing" anyone here to race out and get circumcised. We are all adults here, ...and most of us are capable of making a rational, informed decision. Many of us choose to have tattoos, piercings such as Prince Albert's and the rest. It's a personal choice! I thought that much was abundantly clear.
i at one point wanted to kill my self over it.....
With all due respect to your mental condition at the time, I feel this indicates far deeper problems than just your circumcision. If anyone is making you feel inferior over your penile status, that is cruel and unnecessary, ...and I most certainly hope it's not you, beating yourself up over it.
Look, assuming you're not living totally as a nudist, 99% of the people you meet will NEVER know your penile status at all! And it's not such a "deformity" that peope will be horrified and shy away if they do get to see it, or refuse to touch it. It's still common.
Seriously, even though this may seem an immense problem to you, there are guys out there who have lost both LEGS and more, ....and seem to get on with their lives, even become Olympic champions. The loss of a foreskin is just no reason to contemplate suicide.
can we please keep the medical shit out of it...i don't trust them any ways. there incompetent! .
Now here I am going to have to say a resounding "NO; ....WE CAN'T"!
You want us to live by old-wives tales and rumours from way back in the Dark Ages?
"Medical shit"? You don't "trust them"? "There(sic) incompetent"?
Let me just tell you this. If it were not for the competence of an astute doctor I would have died in agony at age 12 with a simple burst appendix, ...and that's only one example.
What are you going to do when some even minor medical emergency arises in your life?
Heal yourself? I was somehow unable to remove my own appendix.......
And of course gay guys caught in the heat of the sexual moment are renowned for their "competence" at making rational decisions.....NOT!!!
We all know about HIV now, so technically, no further cases should occur, and yet infections are STILL happening. I don't think it's the doctors who are "incompetent" .........
All our decisions that affect our own health should be taken in possession of the research and knowledge available. You can choose to ignore the facts, should you so decide, but you seem to be relying on the emotions, ......very shaky and unreliable things to make life decisions on. I'm sure I don't need to remind you that you neally made the emotional decision to "kill yourself" at one stage. Should you have actually carried this out, we wouldn't even be having this exchange......over a lost foreskin.
I truly hope males get the equal rights to genatel integrity that women have... thats right people us goverment prevents alteration of a womans genatels till age 18 males dont....so let your boy decide for him self at 18..
This "genatel"(sic) integrity is supposed to prevent the Muslim/Middle Eastern practice of infibulation, often wrongly referred to as "female circumcision", which of course anyone who has taken the actual time to learn anything at all about this barbaric process will know, it's nothing of the sort.
And of course you have obviously never seen the constantly re-occurring messy infections and painful lesions from phimosis or other infections of the penis that absolutely prevent any sexual activity at all, have you?
Let 'em suffer I hear you say? Doctors of course, being untrustworthy and incompetent......
To condemn an adult to have NO sex life at all is pretty harsh.
there i said it. Happy?.
No, not particularly. I hope you are though. You sound VERY upset, and you have certainly expressed your views. That's what this forum is for. All views are perfectly welcome to be aired here. Please continue to use this forum to talk this over.
P.S i can never be whole again, but i can damn sure save others from my shame.
I seriously doubt that you can "save" others. They may be already "done" by choice, or indeed, they, like myself, may certainly feel neither your "shame" or suffer your mental condition arising from a circumcision.
I do hate to point out that in attempting the so-called "restoring" of what you hope will amount to a facsimile of your missing foreskin, you are actually only further distorting your own body. I do honestly hope it gives you what you seek, and you find acceptance of your own bodily image at last, and can go forward.
Please realise that many, many circumcised men enjoy fulfilling and perfectly normal sex lives and pose for the most beautiful nude photographic shots too!
Why, there are some magnificently exposed glans here in our own galleries that are nothing short of a joy to behold, a triumph of the surgeon's art....and FAR too beautiful to be covered up with an extraneous piece of smelly decoration. ;)
Oops, ...did I say that? ;)
Must have slipped out!
Sorry, ...serious replies always get to me eventually..... :D

[deusex]

And there are some magnificently intact foreskins that are stunningly beautiful without alteration that take my breath away - and not to mention, a great place to hide your spare change for the ice cream truck parked next the the beach and you're wearing that tight skimpy speedo without a pocket in sight.

The one thing we can agree on - read up on it and make the choice for yourself.

I guess I'm one of the lucky ones though - I like dicks with foreskins and without, just make sure they've don't shave their body hair. :eek:

[The Bondsman]

And there are some magnificently intact foreskins that are stunningly beautiful without alteration that take my breath away -:
"....THAT TAKE MY BREATH AWAY", :eek: .......PHEEEEWWW! You might perhaps want to rephrase that?
Or get them to at least wash!!! :D :D :D
I like dicks with foreskins and without, just make sure they've don't shave their body hair. :eek:
Now now, stop trying to divert the subject! ;) :D

[Buldging_Briefs]

In cut and i prefer my sexual partners to be cut also. I have wondered what it would feel like to have my foreskin but I'm happy the way I am. I was cut at birth and thats all I know thats the way my dick is supposed to be as far as I am concerned and I have no problem with it. ;)

[The Bondsman]

I was cut at birth and thats all I know thats the way my dick is supposed to be as far as I am concerned and I have no problem with it. ;)
And you are perfectly qualified to comment on the matter. I am always amazed when women set themselves up as such a vocal authority on the pain and lasting trauma they say is caused by circumcision.
I defy ANY guy circumcised shortly after birth to even remotely remember anything about it!
I can't, ....can you?
It's a bit like if I was to start pontificating and holding forth about the pain of childbirth as opposed to caesarians. I will never go through either.
What the hell any women would know about the experience of circumcision, (and here I am NOT talking about the barbaric practice sometimes referred to as "female circumcision" ) is beyond me!

[Kev]

I'm uncut. Unfortunately, my foreskin is VERY tight and is going to have to be removed in the near future. It doesn't retract at all. It's quite a task to clean inside it. I get urinary tract infections every so often because of this. I had a urologist remove some skin from it 2 years ago in an attempt to get it to partially retract, but I ended up with lots of PAIN :eek: and scar tissue that never allowed for even minimal retractability (Yes, I'm quite certain he botched the procedure). So I'm stuck with a foreskin that doesn't retract and is somewhat mutilated. Yeah, it's not pretty :( There's been a lot of people that have tried talking me out of getting a circumcision, but this is an issue that has been ongoing for over 30 years and quite frankly, I'm ready for it to be gone so I can put these issues to rest once and for all. Between the harrassment I received as a child and the health problems I've developed because of it, I have no desire to keep my foreskin and am happy with my decision to have it removed.

[trunkbrief]

I'm uncut. Unfortunately, my foreskin is VERY tight and is going to have to be removed in the near future. It doesn't retract at all. It's quite a task to clean inside it. I get urinary tract infections every so often because of this. I had a urologist remove some skin from it 2 years ago in an attempt to get it to partially retract, but I ended up with lots of PAIN :eek: and scar tissue that never allowed for even minimal retractability (Yes, I'm quite certain he botched the procedure). So I'm stuck with a foreskin that doesn't retract and is somewhat mutilated. Yeah, it's not pretty :( There's been a lot of people that have tried talking me out of getting a circumcision, but this is an issue that has been ongoing for over 30 years and quite frankly, I'm ready for it to be gone so I can put these issues to rest once and for all. Between the harrassment I received as a child and the health problems I've developed because of it, I have no desire to keep my foreskin and am happy with my decision to have it removed.
I understand KEV when it affects your health and you have a problem washing then you have to do it for your health. As far as the harrassment I know what you are talking about. GOOD LUCK TO YOU :)

[The Bondsman]

Between the harrassment I received as a child and the health problems I've developed because of it, I have no desire to keep my foreskin and am happy with my decision to have it removed.
KEV, purely as a message of support I'll tell you that my good friend and next door neighbour, a straight married man of 38 years of age, suffered your very same problems for all his life. It really affected his sex life too.
He recently had a complete circumcision and swears it was the best thing he's ever done. He only wishes he'd had the courage to have it done before, as the improvement was that dramatic. I hope this gives you some encouragement to go ahead.
( We are certainly going to see more and more guys with your condition, since circumcision was stopped as a regular practice. You will neither be the first or last!)
For your own comfort, please insist that your surgeon do a COMPLETE job. I have just watched a medical programme here made in Britain where a guy with your very problems bizarrely had TWO foreskin "shortening" ops. and STILL had his problem! :eek:
He needed a third op. to completely remove the damn thing to stop his serious infections.
VERY best wishes for your surgery, I'm sure you will enjoy the benefits.
Let's all know how it goes?

[Kev]

I'll keep all of you posted on it.

Thanks for all the supporting words, guys. It really means a lot to me.

Yeah, the shortening was supposed to alleviate the whole issue and make it more "user friendly" (pardon the pun). It did anything but.

I'll keep you posted.

[tom]

I detect that possibly Mr B feels quite strongly on this matter....... personally speaking, I was "done" at birth and had no chance to argue the matter!

I must confess to wondering what it would be like to have one but unless I go for it with super-glue I ain't ever gonna find out and am not that bothered. Not of course that I go around the web looking at such things, but it does seem there are most certainly some pretty ugly and fully intact organs out. It also looks in many cases that the length of the forsekin adds to the illusion of size... could this ever account for some of the measurements given, or am I just jealous ;)

Kev, go have it done... I also knew somebody else who suffered the same problem and afterwards he too wished he had been operated on years before.

[maxpower]

Cut, as are almost all my friends (of my age) and not happy about it. :mad: Spurious epidemiological statistics aside, it should simply be a matter of choice for the individual. Its very easy to decide to have your foreskin removed at any time, but it is significantly harder to have it put back on.

[deep in texas]

I am cut, done at birth, and no regrets.

Unfortunately, maxpower, they are not spurious statistics. Studies have gone both ways about the advantages and disadvantages of circumcision. I feel parents need to be informed about the pros and cons of neonatal circumcision and then decide. Local anesthesia is used in many cases nowadays, so less concern about pain. I am sure the doc did not use a local anesthesia on me and I am not scarred for life. (Newborns DO feel it without local-- you can see it in their response to the circ.)

As to adults deciding to do it later. From a practical standpoint, that does not happen very often. It's not covered by insurance unless it's for medical reasons. It becomes "cosmetic" surgery and can be rather expensive.

Plenty of uncut men have sexual dysfunction just as cut men do. And I agree with The Bondsman. As neonatal circs become less common, foreskin problems and adult circs (and other treatments) will become more common.

Hope some of you find this helpful, even if you don't agree with me.

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mr bondsman

1st. thanx again for drawing this to the attention of all, i only hope that all members and visitors who visit this site read your comments and at the very least think about them

2nd. thanx for telling me about the odds of throat cancer for participating in my second favourite pastime (1st being undies), dare i say i'm fortunate that my current bf is cut, which is just as well coz i like nothing better than winding him up by tickling his cock with my tonsils

3rd. there was an article in the uk press abouit HPV last weekend, but it only touched on the str8 sex mcases and figures and didnt mention anything about gay sex or circumcision.............what a poor reflection on society

4th. in reply to earlier posts re the snip when older, one of my ex's had an etremely tight 4skin and waited until he was 36 before he went for the op, and regretted that he had not had it done when he turned 16, my current bf, had his done when he waas seriously ill in hospital at 16 mainly because he was getting so many bedbaths, but also he was slightly tight and it probably made things easier for the nursing staff (he didnt need more infection), but he has an incredible sensitive head................and don't i just know it lol

5th. again, i hope everyone who visits the site reads your comments, and at least thinks about it

[The Bondsman]

Cut, as are almost all my friends (of my age) and not happy about it. :mad: Spurious epidemiological statistics aside, it should simply be a matter of choice for the individual.
"Spurious epidemiological studies" my fat aunt! The info is out there on the net, read it for yourself.
We all believe what we want to believe, ...sometimes that can be that which makes us less uncomfortable.
I am indeed sorry about your regret over being "cut", ...but do remember, you are imagining the possession of something you really have no adult experience of ever owning.
For all you know your foreskin COULD have been a highly problematical one, causing you considerable pain and anguish, necessitating circ. anyway. It is not entirely uncommon.
We humans tend to see the grass as greener over there, ....and to always want what we haven't got.
Be careful what you wish for?
As mentioned before, 99% of the people you meet day to day will never know, ...unless you are a nudist or an incredible "sex addict", ...(read total "slut"!!! ;) ;) ;) )
Lots of people say that it should wait until adulthood to make the decision. I find this strange, as it can be very painful then, and most of the problems that happen with being uncircumcised tend to occur in adolescence. A bit late to make up your mind at a later date.
Seriously, there is NO loss of sensitivity, unless you go about wearing sandpaper undies for some bizarre reason.
Many of us, ...I NOT saying all, prefer the aesthetics too. As you will know from looking at pics, there are the "neater" looking little short tight ones, very long droopy "frilly" ones, and thick sausage roll pastry ones too. And you don't get to choose your most desired style, you would have had what you were born with. Just like dicks themselves really, ...and did ANY of us ever get the one of them we REALLY wanted? :confused: :D :D :D

There is the so-called "restoration" mentioned earlier, but it's really just an approximation, .....the skin behind the glans can be stretched artificially over time, but there will be no tightening of the end to conform to the glans shape. It will be like a long loose floppy tube, ...but if that will satisfy your desires, then by all means attempt it. Good Luck!

[tom]

I'll quit whilst I'm "a-head" :D

[The Bondsman]

I feel compelled to clarify a point of some importance.
Please be aware that the above benefits of circumcision with regards to HIV transmission are only effective if you are the INSERTIVE partner,......what you Yanks so delightfully refer to as a "TOP".
Circumcision of course will provide NO protection from HIV if you are the receptive partner, (BOTTOM), ......PLEASE USE CONDOMS, .....ALWAYS! However if the guy topping you IS circumcised the likelihood of HPV transmission is greatly lessened.
The condom will not only provide protection from HIV, but also to some degree from HPV too, but remember HPV can get into your throat and be transmitted by hands in foreplay, such as mutual wanking, sucking and "docking".
I have had some PM's seeking more info on this, ....hope this states it clearly.

[AZTanDan]

I personally have always enjoyed the look of a clean, nicely cut cock. I respect others opinions, but reserve the right to disagree. After reading Bondsmans posting, I'm now convinced that my personal taste for cut men is the right choice for me. I am sure that there are those who are uncut, and make a concious effort to keep themselves clean and disease free. Likewise, I'm sure that there are cut men who are lacking in the hygenic realm, and would be considered a risk as well. That said, I still feel that cut is much more attractive, and (personally) I love the look of my tanned member. I'm sure that there is some risk there, but this is my life, and I will live it as I please... This is a right for everyone, and I respect each one's right of individuality.

[AZTanDan]

Spurious epidemiological statistics aside

This is starting to sound like the debate on global warming... Personally, I tend to believe documented studies from learned organizations such as the WHO or CDC. Newpapers and Mags are too slanted now days for me to place any real trust in their printed opinions.

[trunkbrief]

Where are all the uncut guys I think we are a minority

[BUCK]

I clicked on the wrong one,

I am cut, 5 1/5 inch very hard. :)

[InDNile]

I don't post much, but I would like to chime in on this one...

I don't really like being uncut...or dislike it, for that matter. My opinion is that cut cocks are MUCH sexier, and really make my mouth water.

Opinion aside, I've grown up with it and after the initial blow of figuring out my tool was quite a bit different than the tools of my classmates, I got used to. I wouldn't call it unattractive (even given my opinion on the matter) so much as inconvenient. I'm in a long term relationship, and we have a tendency to exchange impromptu blow jobs in unconventional places (usually at work) on a rather "spur of the moment" basis. That said, if I'm more than a few hours past my last shower, I really feel like I need to "clean-up" first. I know some guys like that musky taste, but not my boy. So, from a practical standpoint, maintenance is the big deal.

On the matter of routine circumcision at birth, I'm all in favor of it--for the personal and practical reasons I mentioned. Leaving it for the adult to decide seems like a great idea until you realize that this kind of thing is not only fear-inspiring to contemplate as an adult, but expensive to undertake. If you have insurance, the circumcision is most likely going to be covered as part of the birth, but would not be covered as an adult elective surgery.

Do I wish I had been cut? Absolutely. In fact, the doctor was supposed to have done it, as my parents had decided (for hygiene reasons, not religious) that is should be done. Unfortunately, the doctor that delivered me is now dead, so a malpractice suit is unlikely. Additionally, at my age, I'm reluctant to go under the knife, since I generally regard surgery as appropriate only when necessary. Besides, the thought of taking a knife (surgical or not) to a part of me I've grown VERY fond of gives me cold sweats. Of course, financially it isn't feasible, either.

I can see from this thread that there are a lot of strong facts and strong opinions, so I wanted to offer mine to the mix. If you are uncut, I didn't mean to infer that you are un-sexy or somehow disfigured, just not my thing. And if you are cut, well, . . . send pictures!

[new lad]

I'm uncut, and happy with it.

[sdph]

im uncircumcised and would have it no other way. i think it is horrible for baby boys to be circumcised, especially the way they do it.

there is this nurve like area on the underside of the forskin, that i believe to be similar to the clit on a woman. why the fuck would you want to tear that off? of course all the circumcided men are say there is no sensitivity issues. how the hell do they know. they've never known it any other way.

ive spoken with men who were cut after puperty and most feel it was the stupidest thing they did.

i think circumcising to deal with diseases and infections is the most retarded thing ive heard in a while. seems like a bandade solution to to a behavioral issue.

I also think that prefering a circumsixed penis in looks is something we as western men have been programed and conditioned to like, especially in populations where thats all you see.

[The Bondsman]

i think circumcising to deal with diseases and infections is the most retarded thing ive heard in a while. seems like a bandade solution to to a behavioral issue.
And I'm sure you've heard of a few retarded things too!
Look, no one is suggesting you give up your very own personal thriving colony of Human Papilloma Virus, .....feel perfectly free to leave them to ever multiply in their odoriferous cheesy peace should you so decide.

Behavioural issues?

Well personally speaking, I would rather NOT fill my sexual partner's (male or female) throat or rectum with the threat of insidious cancer, ....particularly when they are providing me with such great pleasure at the time, ....BUT, and here again I must emphasise, ...that's just my personal feelings on the matter.
I can't answer for what you might choose to do, ....or the risks you are prepared to subject others to either.
You must make your own decision of course, ......based on whatever information you decide is "retarded", ...or "a behavioural issue".

Now purely in the interests of your being totally informed, I'll post a pic of just what an uncircumcised cancerous penis, ...(the result of Human Papilloma Virus activity gone wild), actually looks like.
I was reluctant to do this before, but your above quote and it's naievity has changed my mind.
Talking about a hypothetical cancerous penis and actually coming face to face with one are certainly two different things. I wonder if you would still adhere to your bold statement above if this penis was actually yours?

*WARNING TO ALL OTHERS! This is a VERY explicit pic. and probably one you DON'T WANT TO SEE! I suggest you DON'T open it at all.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!


This is just for SDPH, ......so he can see just what CAN happen to his apocryphal "nurve"(sic) he's so worried about.
The rest of us will await his informed medical decision as to what "band-aid" treatment, or behavioural modifications he might offer this poor guy NOW....?
Of course cancer of the throat is a little more picturesque, ...being concealed as it were.......but just as effective.

[deusex]

Bondsman...


EWWWWWWWWWWW!

Yuck.

I know you warned me, but it's like an accident on the side of the highway - you have to look - and right before dinner.

[sdph]

And I'm sure you've heard of a few retarded things too!
Look, no one is suggesting you give up your very own personal thriving colony of Human Papilloma Virus, .....feel perfectly free to leave them to ever multiply in their odoriferous cheesy peace should you so decide.

Behavioural issues?

Well personally speaking, I would rather NOT fill my sexual partner's (male or female) throat or rectum with the threat of insidious cancer, ....particularly when they are providing me with such great pleasure at the time, ....BUT, and here again I must emphasise, ...that's just my personal feelings on the matter.
I can't answer for what you might choose to do, ....or the risks you are prepared to subject others to either.
You must make your own decision of course, ......based on whatever information you decide is "retarded", ...or "a behavioural issue".

Now purely in the interests of your being totally informed, I'll post a pic of just what an uncircumcised cancerous penis, ...(the result of Human Papilloma Virus activity gone wild), actually looks like.
I was reluctant to do this before, but your above quote and it's naievity has changed my mind.
Talking about a hypothetical cancerous penis and actually coming face to face with one are certainly two different things. I wonder if you would still adhere to your bold statement above if this penis was actually yours?

*WARNING TO ALL OTHERS! This is a VERY explicit pic. and probably one you DON'T WANT TO SEE! I suggest you DON'T open it at all.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!


This is just for SDPH, ......so he can see just what CAN happen to his apocryphal "nurve"(sic) he's so worried about.
The rest of us will await his informed medical decision as to what "band-aid" treatment, or behavioural modifications he might offer this poor guy NOW....?
Of course cancer of the throat is a little more picturesque, ...being concealed as it were.......but just as effective.

I take offense to your attitude. and really dont appreciate you portraying uncut guys as disease carrying, virus spready monsters. i could just as easily drum up a bunch of pictures of botched circumcisions and issues related to circumcision.

lots of gay people and african people have HIV and gay sex is risky for contracting HIV, so should the answere be to eliminate the sex? No, you make necessary changes. eliminating the forskin sounds rediculous to me and i find the research you are presenting to be faulty and using misleading presumtious language.

if guys out there do there research they will realize that the argument against circumcision has far more validity and strength to it, especially if you research the history of circumcision.

cancer of the penis is very rare and mainly occurs if a defective forskin goes untreated or circumcised.

we are born with godamn forskins for a reseon. to protect the delicate head of the penis. if someone is carying a virus on their penis im sure it is because they have stuck it somewhere they shouldnt have.

[AZTanDan]

I take offense to your attitude. and really dont appreciate you portraying uncut guys as disease carrying, virus spready monsters. i could just as easily drum up a bunch of pictures of botched circumcisions and issues related to circumcision.

lots of gay people and african people have HIV and gay sex is risky for contracting HIV, so should the answere be to eliminate the sex? No, you make necessary changes. eliminating the forskin sounds rediculous to me and i find the research you are presenting to be faulty and using misleading presumtious language.

if guys out there do there research they will realize that the argument against circumcision has far more validity and strength to it, especially if you research the history of circumcision.

cancer of the penis is very rare and mainly occurs if a defective forskin goes untreated or circumcised.

we are born with godamn forskins for a reseon. to protect the delicate head of the penis. if someone is carying a virus on their penis im sure it is because they have stuck it somewhere they shouldnt have.

#1. If you are offended, then you probably should not get involved with controversial issues.

#2. You are entitled to your opinion, and bondsman is entitled to his.

Now, can we please move on to what's really important... Like why bondsman gets so turned on by the color white... Especially when it gets wet!

[The Bondsman]

I take offense to your attitude..
Then you have TOTALLY missed the point of my post. Please read it again sdph.
I think, ...if your comprehension skills are even adequate, you will find I again and again stress that the opinions therein are MINE, ...MY choices and MY decisions. I even state that you are perfectly free to make your own decisions, based on ALL the information you can gather.
Now how the hell you can manage to "take offense" is beyond me. I am NOT telling you what YOU should do or think. I'm sure you can make up your own mind!
I only wrote the post you are referring to to correct some pretty gross misconceptions you wrote regarding a "nurve"(sic). Where do you get your info?
I, like many others here, had felt that this thread to have been fully discussed. My apologies to all others for this second epistle.
and really dont appreciate you portraying uncut guys as disease carrying, virus spready monsters. .
Oh, do be serious, ....please!
No one is doing anything of the sort. Unfortunately, whether we like it or not, the area under the foreskin contains the HVP virus, .....in just about ALL uncircumcised men. Fact!
Now as much as you, ...or I for that matter, may wish it were not so, it is true!
I am afraid we will all just have to accept that and go forward with our lives accordingly.
The human rectum may also contain many things that can lead to ill-health, but we manage to make informed decisions as to what we will and will not do in that region to preserve our own health.
i could just as easily drum up a bunch of pictures of botched circumcisions and issues related to circumcision. .
Of course you could; just as you could find pics of botched appendectomies, tonsillectomies, face-lifts, boob-jobs, Prince Alberts or even belly-button piercings ......your point being? :confused:
lots of gay people and african people have HIV and gay sex is risky for contracting HIV, so should the answere be to eliminate the sex? .
Now sdph, if you can explain to me how my advocating circumcision equals eliminating sex, you might have a point. I somehow don't think we are even on the same page here......
No, you make necessary changes. eliminating the forskin sounds rediculous to me and i find the research you are presenting to be faulty and using misleading presumtious language..
You of course, are quite at liberty to find research carried out by specialists and doctors trained in the field "rediculous and presumtious"(sic).
You are obviously medically trained yourself, with a deep and extensive knowledge of these very specialised fields.
Me? I'm afraid I have to rely on those findings of people FAR more qualified in these matters than myself, ...and with first hand access to the studies, data, results and analysis.
I freely admit here and now that I do not know as much about their field as they do.
Perhaps with your greater knowledge you could enlighten the board further?
It's always good to hear from the experts in the field, ...at the cutting edge of the latest information.
Perhaps indeed I am "out-of-date"?
if guys out there do there research they will realize that the argument against circumcision has far more validity and strength to it, especially if you research the history of circumcision..
Some will, ....and some will come to exactly the opposite conclusion.
As I, and many others here in this thread have said before, there will always be two sides to this argument, .......and in another time and place I would be perfectly happy to discuss the history of circumcision with you, as it's actually something I know a bit about. However, I am trying to remind myself while I write this reply that this is a board devoted to "underwear".
cancer of the penis is very rare and mainly occurs if a defective forskin goes untreated or circumcised..
You make the point that there ARE defective foreskins, .....and the need for treatment/circumcision?
On the other hand, cancer of the cervix from HVP transmission, ...(and by possible extrapolation, perhaps the rectum in gay men), is common enough to warrant the medical profession releasing a vaccine and conducting mass vaccination programmes for it's prevention......I think that alone says something, don't you?
we are born with godamn forskins for a reseon. .
Well it's obviously NOT to improve our spelling! :D :D
You, like so many others who write on this subject, are making the grossly simplistic assumption here that the human body "au naturel" is somehow "perfect".
Any medico will tell you it's FAR from perfect in design.
Indeed, just ask any older person about their back! The human spine for only one example is completely inadequate for any animal that walks upright, and causes problems to just about everyone, and often sooner than later . There are many other instances where the human body is somewhat defective.
Trust me on this one, ...the human body could do with more than a few "improvements" here and there.
to protect the delicate head of the penis. if someone is carying a virus on their penis im sure it is because they have stuck it somewhere they shouldnt have.
Now this is where I feel I MUST correct you. What you have stated above is not only incorrect, it reeks of prejudice and ignorance.
Let me be VERY clear here.
The presence of HVP under a man's foreskin has absolutely NOTHING to do with having "stuck it somewhere they shouldn't have"!!!
AND, might I also ask, just WHERE in your opinion might that be?
You wouldn't perhaps be making judgemental statements about those of us here who indulge in anal intercourse would you? I do hope not!
No, the presence of HVP is just very common BECAUSE UNDER THE FORESKIN PROVIDES THE PERFECT BREEDING PLACE for the virus. Fullstop!
You can have HVP despite never having stuck your penis anywhere you may consider off limits!
Please get that one fact correct in your head if nothing else I have written gets through.
This is NOT the place for the propagation of dangerous quasi-religious misinformation.

NOW, ...as the very wise AZTanDan suggests above, .....let's get back to the "underwear", ......and yes, "white", when wet, whets my willing wanger!!! ;) ;) ;)

[retired.bi]

Don't you just wonder about your parents sometimes. As a teenager, I worried about my cock. I did not retract my foreskin, until I was 19 years old.
It was only, many years later that my son needed to be circumcised, for health reasons, that My Mother told me that I should have been cut, but wasn't. Years of Angst....

[The Bondsman]

I did not retract my foreskin, until I was 19 years old.
Until 19 ??? Good grief, it must have been somewhat "over-ripe" by then!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
I should have been cut, but wasn't. Years of Angst....
Not to mention years of "build-up"!
I do so hope you are now enjoying a more comfortable existence!
Some parents just sweep "indelicate" matters into the "too hard" basket and totally ignore it. I am sorry you had to work this out for yourself.

[Lovehom]

I am uncut and have long wished that I had been circumcised. Both my father and younger brother were cut. I suppose being born in 1943, the docs were busy enough without giving little boys the snip.
My foreskin was very tight and difficult to retract (except in the bath) and quite painful if someone else did so. Eventually I snipped the frenelum myself when I was 17 or so (risky I know).
Nowadays I can wear my foreskin either back or not, mostly I wear it back, as I like the feel better that way.
Lovehom

[InDNile]

Snipped yourself?

You've got bigger balls than me, my friend...

I, too, wish I had been cut--as my father and younger brother were--but I don't have the nerve to let a doctor do it now, much less handle the matter myself.

[The Bondsman]

. Eventually I snipped the frenelum myself when I was 17 or so (risky I know).Lovehom
Truly astounding! And very brave at 17! Still, it obviously gave you the results you wanted. You could of course now have the full thing done, but it appears you are quite happy with your do-it-yourself job!
I am tempted to say "Don't try this at home", ...but your success shows how determined you were. Isn't it amazing how we tend to be so secretive about anything to do with the penis. The embarrassment causes so many guys to suffer in silence for a lifetime, when a simple process could not only correct the problem, but set their mind at ease.

[jockeys guy]

to add fuel to this issue, i have had partners who have been cut and uncut and i for one have not contracted any virus know to my doctor from contact with my uncut partners foreskin. i,m sure there are associated risks but surely if the guy keeps his cock clean and well looked after then any ill effects would be keep to a minimum? im cut myself and have wondered what a foreskin would be like and have even investigated restoration (not started as yet) as far as looks are concerned i love the look of a natural cock and would push for education in hygiene rather than mass circumcision. but thats just another point of view for you to ponder, thanks and enjoy your underwear guys

[The Bondsman]

to add fuel to this issue, i have had partners who have been cut and uncut and i for one have not contracted any virus know to my doctor from contact with my uncut partners foreskin.
YET!
It would be impossible for your doctor to tell.
IF you, or anyone else has contracted the HPV, it can lay dormant for years before causing any problems, (or none at all); and once it's in, it's in, ...it's just not an instant thing like chlamydia, syphilis or gonorrhea, .....sorry to add even more high-octane fuel to this issue! :D :D :D

[gareth8777]

U N C U T H E R E

[jockeys guy]

YET!
It would be impossible for your doctor to tell.
IF you, or anyone else has contracted the HPV, it can lay dormant for years before causing any problems, (or none at all); and once it's in, it's in, ...it's just not an instant thing like chlamydia, syphilis or gonorrhea, .....sorry to add even more high-octane fuel to this issue! :D :D :D

i live in a city of many millions of men, as a result there is a large contingent of gay men. of these men i know at face value maybe two hundred, obviously i have a tighter network of friends who i know more detail about but still this equates to a large number of men, now if the risk of the infection (HPV ) was so extreme in the uncut male population then i would of thought there would be more word on the street type information in relation to it, and yet there is not

to bolster this opinion the local gay community has a strong group of individuals who closely monitor statistical medical change in the community so any information that could help the community or individual can be published and put out there so we can safeguard ourselves from such ill affects. that said, at no point in the past 12 years have i heard, seen or otherwise come across any alerts in relation to HPV.

to the best of my knowledge i know of no one affected with HPV either, i also know of no one affected by throat cancer (smokers possibly)or rectal cancer either. so i do wonder where are these reports coming from? country, community etc. and if there are other factors that are involved. it just seems to me that someone has decided that the foreskin is the one answer so stop looking and start chopping.

thats not to say there isn't a possible link between the two but its clear (in my local community at least) that such instances are very very rare.

i respect the opinion of others and add this only as an observation
i also add that i know many people in the medical profession who also question the link between foreskins and HPV. not one of them would agree to having heard of such a link but wouldn't rule it out completely

[The Bondsman]

i respect the opinion of others and add this only as an observation
i also add that i know many people in the medical profession who also question the link between foreskins and HPV. not one of them would agree to having heard of such a link but wouldn't rule it out completely
Doctors at present are for some reason terrified to even mention circumcision, .....I blame the mainly strident female(???) very vocal pressure groups.
Look, I certainly didn't mean to imply that it would happen to ALL uncircumcised blokes, ... not all smokers end up with lung cancer either.
My apologies if any of you misunderstood.
And it's important to remember, HPV related cancers are NOT just seen in uncirc-ed blokes, they CAN also occur in circ-ed blokes too, IF they have been in contact with the virus in any of it's favoured haunts, although circ-ed guys do not usually present with it on the penis, it's more likely to be rectal or throat.
Again, I wish to state here it's NOT an everyday thing, ...AND it may take YEARS to even develop!
What I was trying to impart is that the risk is considered significant enough for the medical profession and pharmaceutical companies to take the trouble to develop and implement an inoculation programme against this very form of cancer, ....sadly they only offer immunisation to females as homosexuals seem to have been forgotten, ...or they just don't care about men who have contact with other men's uncirc-ed genitals.
This programme has very recently been carried out here in OZ, ....(sadly,no men/boys were offered vaccine at this time.)
Now let me point out if I may that the HUGE sums needed to research, develop serums, test them scrupulously and exhaustively, and then carry out mass inoculation programmes are NOT usually squandered on conditions that are unheard of or as you claim, "very, very minor".
Sadly for our discussion I am not able to "out" him here for reasons that should be very obvious, but I am in exchange of PM's with another member of this very board who is a health professional in America who is currently treating an uncirc-ed male showing all signs of a HPV related cancer.

(Anal warts are caused by the HPV, .....and if I may be indelicate for just one moment, there are a few cases of anal warts I have noted here in our very own galleries, and I'm sure the posters are not even aware of their presence.)

Here in OZ, with the sudden rise in men not being circ-ed, we will see more cases of HPV related problems than in the past when most blokes were done as a matter of course.
I am actually quite amazed that the group of individuals you talked to were unaware of all the recent research and vaccine development that has gone on in this very area, specially considering Australia's MAJOR role in the development of this very vaccine.
The journals and web-sites have all carried this info, they should certainly be familiar with it if that's their job.
To make myself very clear, I state here again, that while HPV related cancers ARE in the minority, they certainly do occur. If you are uncirc-ed OR circ-ed, just give it a little thought is all I'm asking, .....particularly if your immune system is already compromised.

[jockeys guy]

at no point did i say the the effect of such an infection was minor....... i said from information i had received it would seem the occurrence of infection appears RARE.

i do agree that it takes considerable funds and energy to produce vaccines etc and inoculate the population as you say and it is indeed a shame that the gay male community has been overlooked in such a programme

i,m also leed to believe that (in the past at least) pharmaceutical companies paid very handsomely for the foreskins of recently circed boys as by the very nature of the material, many experiments could be undertaken using the massive amounts of sensitive cells that make up the foreskin. naturally the money from such a sale went to funding a new jaguar or such for the doctor who relieved the boy of his foreskin and that leads to a rather cossy relationship re doctors and pharmaceutical companies... similar practice occurs today with doctors prescribing the latest fashion in drugs in order to receive trips over seas or other backhanders so not overly convinced they have the greater community in mind when undertaking there studies, vaccinations etc. however this is off subject and will leave others to conclude what they will

of course without such professionals we would be in a rather different situation now i,m sure so i do not dismiss their contributions to society as a whole in fact i admire and applaud their efforts. :) :cool:

[The Bondsman]

i,m also leed to believe that (in the past at least) pharmaceutical companies paid very handsomely for the foreskins of recently circed boys as by the very nature of the material, many experiments could be undertaken using the massive amounts of sensitive cells that make up the foreskin.
This practice is truly amazing, ...and one which sadly is now a dwindling resource, due to less available material.
I am led to believe that the cells from a single babie's foreskin can be induced to grow skin up to the size of a football field! I know that sounds amazing, and even I had to look it up again to check. This laboratory grown skin is used to cover serious burns, ...and although eventually rejected, allows the natural skin beneath to recover and helps minimise fluid loss and some scarring.
Now I don't know where the payments for the donated foreskins end up, or even if they are paid for, but if I was ever inflicted with third degree burns as so often seems to happen, I'd sure be glad of some foreskin-derived donations.
Sadly, as you mention, there are indeed kick-backs offered to doctors for prescribing specified medications, and I'm sure many take full advantage of the offers.
Mind you, the public sees no problems when they are offered kickbacks for buying special products or services, even if it's only discounted petrol, a free upgrade at a hotel, a better seat or a larger meal at Macs.
It's an inducement too of course, but one that most people make full use of.

[jockeys guy]

you seem like an educated man to me so will assume your drawing of parallels between the kick backs in the medical profession and an upsized meal at m,c donalds is nothing more than whimsical humor, clearly there is much more at stake when doctors and their ilk are coerced/ enticed into placing more thought into a possible trip abroad then the well being of a patient. the very practice should clearly be illegal. as it is clearly immoral. as for eating food( if indeed it is that) from mc donalds, well you clearly run the gauntlet of the fast food demons if you embark on such a mission.

as for the skin theory, yes a few years ago it my have been necessary to use tissue grown in the manor of which you speak but since a clever woman from australia invented spray on skin i would think it has become somewhat redundant. at least if i'm to believe the media releases relating to third degree burns and the application of the spray material. perhaps there is some link but it would appear inconsequential as no mention is made of the derivative so (assumed) a synthetic base?

[The Bondsman]

the very practice should clearly be illegal. as it is clearly immoral. as for eating food( if indeed it is that) from mc donalds, well you clearly run the gauntlet of the fast food demons if you embark on such a mission.
Well as you put it that way, I think BOTH processes to be rather similar..... :D :D :D

[Jordy]

Hey guys, I'm new here. I'm uncut and have never had a problem with it (actually, I prefer being uncut because I heard that cut dicks are less sensitive). The only reason I escaped the knife is because my mom didn't believe in circumcision because there are no medical reasons for doing it. All them males on that side of the family (to my knowledge) are also uncut. However, my dad and all my cousins on that side of the family are circumcised. Weird!

[jockeys guy]

hi bondsman, :) you appear really angry with anyone who has a different opinion than yours on this matter......or abrupt at least.
granted the newbie (Jordy)may not have researched his post beforehand but he has had his say and perhaps in these posts he could find some useful information on the subject but please remember that we were all first time posters at some point.
you are very passionate about the subject (thats clear) but if i can suggest a little more tolerance towards new posters, after all we don,t want to frighten them off do we? that would undermine the very purpose of forums.
i have enjoyed our exchange and think we have managed to keep things very civil, as such i am happy to chat with you anytime however (if i may be so bold) if you review your reply and see it from a new posters perspective it could easily come across as pointed shall we say? leading to a less flattering opinion being concluded by the newbie poster.

i mean no offense, it,s simply an observation,
hope you're enjoying your bonds as much as i do :)

[MUCjock]

Bondsman, quite a strong reaction there!
and i'm guessing you're cut ... maybe you can fill us in what experiences you've had that have led to this (somewhat angry) reaction?
just an idea.

[The Bondsman]

Apologies guys if my post was seen as abrupt, ...it's a sad fault of the internet that when reading the written word, one cannot hear the tone in which things are said.
That which is meant as ironic, or even light-hearted, can read as abrupt.
And yes, I do know we were all new once, but I try to make sure when posting a reply to a thread that has been going for some time, that I read what has been discussed, mentioned or gone over before to avoid re-hashing the same old stuff and to try to bring something new to the topic.
I do try to use emoticons to convey meaning, which works sometimes if other posters take note of what they are supposed to stand for.
I guess fables taken as fact brings out the worst in me.
I take your points though, and again regret that the post was perceived as too severe.
After due consideration, I have decided to delete the post you see as harsh, .....and refrain from all further comment in this well-worn thread.
Over to you guys, ......make it good, ....and "informed"!

[jockeys guy]

it takes alot to write anything that wont/cant be misinterpreted when read by others, even more so when in a forum like this with strong opinions being offered by its participants so understand your point bondsman, it,s a shame you have decided to remove yourself from further comment as i believe you made some excellent points. i didn't agree with them all but thats exactly what forums are about. it did bring me to look more closely at a subject i thought i know alot about already yet still i learned more because of your input. shame to see you go over such a small matter. but i guess only you can be the judge of that. :(

[Jordy]

Sorry guys, I didn't realize that I jumped in the middle of something here. I didn't read all of the posts before commenting so I didn't know you guys were arguing about something.

[trunkbrief]

no you didnt get in the middle of something this is supposed to be a poll about be cut or uncut ( not) about possible health risks from not being cut sorry you got the wrong impression

[jockeys guy]

Sorry guys, I didn't realize that I jumped in the middle of something here. I didn't read all of the posts before commenting so I didn't know you guys were arguing about something.

sorry buddy, thing were very much off track as stated by trunkbrief. it was not your fault at all and i hope you keep posting. there has been a few post with clear difference in opinion but i'm sure things will be more focused now.
happy posting and keep loving your gear :)

[Jordy]

Are any of you guys opposite what your father, brothers or cousing are? My dad is circumcised but I'm not.

[trunkbrief]

yes my dad wasnt but when he went into the airforce years ago if you werent you got cut, my brother is cut im not, one cousin that i know of isnt and one that is. how about you jordy

[lycrathong]

I'm uncut and normally go for uncut guys, but my boyfriend is a kind of hybrid, as he is uncut but always has his foreskin rolled back.

[Jordy]

yes my dad wasnt but when he went into the airforce years ago if you werent you got cut, my brother is cut im not, one cousin that i know of isnt and one that is. how about you jordy

Well like I said my dad is, but he was pretty much out of the picture when I was born. I only met him years later and now we keep in touch. But anyways, I wasn't circumcised and to my knowledge none of the males on my mothers side of the family are circumcised either. So I have a lot of cousins and uncles that are uncut like me. But on my fathers side of the family, all the males are circumcised. One of my cousins (on that side) that is the same age of me compared when we were like 11 or 12 and that was the first time I really understood the difference between circumcised and uncircumcised.

Also, I found your story about your dad being circumcised because he joined the Air Force very interesting. That must have been a long time ago because they don't do anything like that nowadays. I'm in the Air Force and circumcision was never addressed or ever been an issue since I've been in. Weird!

[Jordy]

I'm uncut and normally go for uncut guys, but my boyfriend is a kind of hybrid, as he is uncut but always has his foreskin rolled back.

Why does he do that? Isn't that uncomfortable?

[trunkbrief]

Also, I found your story about your dad being circumcised because he joined the Air Force very interesting. That must have been a long time ago because they don't do anything like that nowadays. I'm in the Air Force and circumcision was never addressed or ever been an issue since I've been in. Weird![/QUOTE]


i think he was 18 or 19 when he went in the airforce hes 67 now so that tells you how long ago it was he said that it was the most painful thing he has gone through

[trunkbrief]

Why does he do that? Isn't that uncomfortable?

my foreskin is loose so it doesnt bother me, but i have noticed some of the guys on here have very tight foreskin that looks uncomfortable

[Jordy]

i think he was 18 or 19 when he went in the airforce hes 67 now so that tells you how long ago it was he said that it was the most painful thing he has gone through

That sucks! I'm glad they don't do anything like that nowadays. I surely wouldn't have come in if they did. I do know one kid who I came in with who got circumcised at 20 and he also said it was painful.

[trunkbrief]

i like mine just the way it is , a guy i work with said there was a guy in their troop that wasnt cut and because of that he wouldnt take a shower so they helped him shower lol NOT BEING CUT IS NOTHING TO BE ASHAMED OF but because some of us are not cut we look different to those that are

[Jordy]

i like mine just the way it is , a guy i work with said there was a guy in their troop that wasnt cut and because of that he wouldnt take a shower so they helped him shower lol NOT BEING CUT IS NOTHING TO BE ASHAMED OF but because some of us are not cut we look different to those that are

He wouldn't take a shower because he was uncut? I don't understand what one thing has to do with the other, nor why the other "troops" would take it upon themselves to "shower him". That just sounds really strange to me.

[trunkbrief]

He wouldn't take a shower because he was uncut? I don't understand what one thing has to do with the other, nor why the other "troops" would take it upon themselves to "shower him". That just sounds really strange to me.


no because he embarassed evrybody else was and he wasnt they showered him because he had BO

[Jordy]

no because he embarassed evrybody else was and he wasnt they showered him because he had BO

Got it. Still something like that would be very unsual in todays military.

[The Bondsman]

I post the attached article from one of our local gay papers here purely in the interest of general board information.
You will note that the survey found 70% of men getting checkups were unaware of the anal cancer risks, but were strongly in favour of the vaccine when informed.
*** Please also note that the risk of anal cancer from HPV is 20 times greater for gay men!
What I do find strange is the self-conscious way this and just about every other article available to the public pussy-foots around and coyly avoids identifying the main site where the HPV can be found, ...and how it manages to mysteriously come in contact with gay males anal areas to cause cancer in the first place. :confused:
Draw your own conclusions, but I suspect this just might have something to do with not wishing to set off the more rabid female-driven pressure groups within our community.
Sadly, this vaccine has to be administered BEFORE you have contacted the virus at all, (it is of little use after you are exposed).....so for gay men this would mean virtually having to "come-out" at a very young age BEFORE any sexual activity with other boys.
Many juveniles would not even be aware of their orientation at that early stage, ...let alone the idea of going on to have anal intercourse, ..or even cock-sucking!
We could, of course give it to ALL young boys too, ....as they do here now to all girls, just in case!
Prophylaxis is not such a bad idea, ...when you think about it even a percentage of those girls vaccinated will NOT go on to have sexual intercourse or oral sex with men.


There is, of course, a much simpler, easier, less costly and far more effective way to ensure that the nasty HPV does not spread, and does NOT cause cancer in any gay men, ....or any str8 women for that matter!
And it tastes good too! ;) :D
Now I'm not going to mention it as promised, ...but I think one good picture is worth a thousand words, ......and having to have one's rectum removed or throat surgically excised!. :eek: :eek: :eek:

[The Bondsman]

Found this article in an American publication and thought it may be of interest.
Notice how they STILL refuse to specify the actual area where the HPV virus that causes all the problems is most regularly found? Who's delicate feelings are being pandered to; ...and why?

[jocktradeundies]

Cut, no complains...Parents made the right decision.

[illustrick]

your pool is flawed it doesn't take in to account those restoring and who have restored.. once cut your cut but you can restore for a restored status. i said cut but im actively restoring.
i am very interested in restoring my foreskin, how would i go about doing this, with out any surgery? or expensive treatments?

[AZTanDan]

i am very interested in restoring my foreskin, how would i go about doing this, with out any surgery? or expensive treatments?

I have heard of a few midevil like methods which all are about equal to (in my eyes) Carol Burnetts definition of childbirth. Grasp your lower lip and pull it over your head! My opinion, be happy with what you have and move on with life.

[The Bondsman]

i am very interested in restoring my foreskin, how would i go about doing this, with out any surgery? or expensive treatments?
I do feel I must respectfully inform you that should you follow this procedure, you will NOT be "restoring your foreskin" , despite what anyone may tell you.
What you will be doing is stretching the extant skin behind your exposed glans until it flops, ...and "flops" is certainly the suitable word, ....either forward or often backwards on the penile shaft. It will not resemble a foreskin in that it will not have the elasticity of a normal foreskin; it will be just a "tube" or even a fold..it will probably NOT remain down over your glans without "help", and it will take a LONG time to do, ...I won't mention the discomfort, which you can imagine for yourself.
I have seen one or two attempts at this, and I have never seen a restoration that even remotely resembled a genuine foreskin at all, ...and if anyone here has bothered to do it I'd like to see a pic. for my own edification .
(Oh and don't try and fool me with a photo of a natural foreskin, ....I have seen a few real ones you know! :rolleyes: :D )
If you'd like your probably already very attractive dick to look like a frilled neck lizard, with sloppy skin, then by all means go ahead, but it's my guess that you will be so dissatisfied with your stretching efforts, you'll end up opting for further surgery to remove the stretched skin for your own comfort.

Another important fact to mention is that it will make it unpleasant and a bit difficult for a partner to give you oral sex too. Don't know about you, but I do SO love having my cock sucked!
Why not simply enjoy the sight of your exposure of one of the most beautiful shapes on the male body?
The marvellously formed glans head and ridge are truly magnificent, and even in briefs or swimwear, the circumcised head provides a most wonderful display of a ridge that adds to the intrigue of any package.
(Warning, personal opinion follows:There are pics here in our galleries of fellers with such a magnificently formed glans, that I think it's a shame that nature chose to cover it with anything at all in the first place!)
If you're not running around naked hunting sabre-toothed tigers like our ancestors, you don't really need a forskin you know, ...and if anyone here trots out that old hoary chestnut about their mother told them "it's less sensitive", I will personally beat them to death with their own prepuce which I will remove with a whippersnipper! :eek: :mad: :eek: )
You personally may have feelings of regret for that which you no longer have, and I can certainly understand this ...but I would be remiss to encourage your regret, and increase your discomfort by telling you that you can "restore" your foreskin.
Think very carefully before you pin your hopes of happiness on this mis-named, lengthy process, that could indeed see you lining up at the surgeons for a pseudo-circumcision.

[wankbear]

I'm cut. Circumcision is still done on most boys here in the US. I think it's a horrible tradition that should be banned. The decision to be cut should be made as an adult.

[The Bondsman]

I think it's a horrible tradition that should be banned. The decision to be cut should be made as an adult.
And of course all those many young boys suffering repeated debilitating infections and pain from phimosis should just suffer in silence and stop complaining no doubt? Hmmmmm? :confused:
After all, it's only about another ten or twelve or so years until he's an adult, and then he can get circumcised if he wants, ...surely that's not too long to put up with intense pain and embarrassment?
(Oh and no sex of course, ...not even wanking...and even any involuntary erections will be very painful too. )
Silly me, ...now why didn't I see it like that? :confused:
Some pics below to contemplate.....

[wankbear]

And of course all those many young boys suffering repeated debilitating infections and pain from phimosis should just suffer in silence and stop complaining no doubt? Hmmmmm? :confused:
After all, it's only about another ten or twelve or so years until he's an adult, and then he can get circumcised if he wants, ...surely that's not too long to put up with intense pain and embarrassment?
(Oh and no sex of course, ...not even wanking...and even any involuntary erections will be very painful too. )
Silly me, ...now why didn't I see it like that? :confused:
Some pics below to contemplate.....

I should have been clearer than using the word 'banned', that was a poor choice of a word without explanation on my part. Circumcision should be strongly discouraged unless it is a necessary last resort for medical treatment.

First, my education is not in medicine. So, if anyone believes they have phimosis or any serious condition, please consult your physician. Remember: "Love your penis and it will love you" :D

Phimosis is frequently misdiagnosed because it is a normal stage of male development. All infants go through a phimosis stage where the foreskin will not retract to any great degree until about age three. But, boys develop at different rates and it is normal not to be able to fully retract the foreskin until age 18. As long as there's no pain or discomfort, then no treatment is needed. One percent of men can be considered 'late bloomers' and aren't fully developed until age 24. Even in cases over 24 most cases can be treated by gentle stretching in a warm bath and the application of a topical steroid.

Medical opinion differs on the condition and on treatment. It has been suggested that any radical or surgical treatments for phimosis should not be done until after puberty. This has partly come about because of the reaction to the over use of circumcision as a mainstream treatment for phimosis. It has also been reported by bodies such as CIRP that significant numbers of doctors are unable to recognize normal developmental tight prepuce and pathological phimosis. It is believed that many unnecessary circumcisions are performed because of current medical practice and misdiagnoses of phimosis. Balanitis xeroticia obliterans has been sited as one of the only causes of phimosis that should lead to a surgical circumcision.

Men's Health Web Reference for Above Quote (http://menshealth.about.com/cs/embarrassments/a/phimosis.htm)

The onset cause of phimosis in a formerly normal healthy male is almost always caused by poor hygiene, and sometimes by injury. In either case sores develop under the foreskin and in the normal healing process adhesion's occur. Both are treatable by options other than circumcision.

Of course there are extreme and rare cases where circumcision could be the only option. But, there is another procedure called preputial plasty (http://www.cirp.org/library/treatment/phimosis/).

Life is full of options. So, until the science in this debate says otherwise, I will stand by the recommendation of American Academy of Pediatrics:

The use of circumcision for medical or health reasons is an issue that continues to be debated. Currently, the American Academy of Pediatrics does not recommend routine circumcision for newborn males stating the evidence was not significant enough to prove the operation's benefit.

Web MD Reference for Above Quote (http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/guide/circumcision)

[The Bondsman]

The onset cause of phimosis in a formerly normal healthy male is almost always caused by poor hygiene,
It can be a little difficult to wash if the damn thing cannot be retracted you know, ....and if it's started to attach to the glans, somewhat painful no doubt.
Besides, to tell the truth the average bloke can't even keep his fingernails or his own arse clean, ..what bloody hope does his foreskin have? :eek: They don't wash their hands!

My point was that as soon as people start saying things like "Oh it shouldn't be done until you are an adult", they immediately then have to back-pedal and start making exceptions.
It also needs to be considered that it's not the relatively simple procedure when an adult as it is when a child. Ask those many guys who have had to have it done later. There are a few here.
I am totally amazed that some medical practitioners will allow a patient to continue suffering for extended periods, not only physically, but mentally with embarrassment, just because they do not want to be seen as supporting circumcision and thereby offending those rabid female pressure groups. :mad:
And yet these very same cowboy-medicos will over-zealously rip out tonsils at the drop of a scalpel, ....adenoids and appendix too if you're not careful!
But remove a foreskin to cure a smelly, infected pus dripping painful mess in your undies so you can have a normal life?
Good god, man you don't want people to think we're totally barbaric, do you? :shocked

While you were maxing out your download from your reference site, you may or may not have noticed that that particular one has absolutely nothing to say about the HPV either, despite the massive rise now being seen in throat and rectal cancers, specially in gay men, (but women are not immune), and other complications arising from it's prevalence. (See above postings.)
They will not dare mention where it's favourite haunt is, ...you'd be forgiven for thinking it started off in the throat or rectum!
Nor will they tell you how it manages to get into throats, anal passages, ....and of course, vaginae, :eek: ...(there, I've said the word!) to cause problems.
Why?
Good question.
Here in the otherwise idyllic Land of Oz, you just about have to hold a gun to a surgeon's head to get your young boy circ-ed, (it certainly can be done, but you are made to feel somewhat akin to a child-abuser).....but there's also a long queue of teens/young men now who have to suffer the embarrassment of fronting up to be "done" too that they try to hide.
The reluctance has nothing whatsoever to do with the pros and cons of the operation itself, but everything to do with "fashion", .....and at the moment the fashionable wind blows from obstreperous, vocal pressure groups who spout "barbaric", .....and yet demand they themselves have quickie caesarian births, and just about everything possible nipped, tucked, pulled, augmented or lifted.
You figure the logic, .....it's beyond me!

[trunkbrief]

I have always been able to pull my foreskin back never was tight where I couldnt. I was taught when I was little how wash properly. I am sure that not all guys foreskin is tight or loose. Not all men are going to get cancer just because they are not cut. Anyone can get cancer no matter what type it might be. So I am not worried about medical problems because I am not cut. I am very comfortable with my foreskin. Bondsman just because some of us guys are not cut does not mean our dicks are going to fall off or cancer is going to attack our dicks.


Trunkbrief

[SweatyAussie]

Here in the otherwise idyllic Land of Oz, you just about have to hold a gun to a surgeon's head to get your young boy circ-ed, (it certainly can be done, but you are made to feel somewhat akin to a child-abuser).....but there's also a long queue of teens/young men now who have to suffer the embarrassment of fronting up to be "done" too that they try to hide.
Things may be about to change though - see this article (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,24891191-23289,00.html).

[The Bondsman]

See? It's all those damned filthy perverted HETEROSEXUALS that are spreading this disease! Round 'em up I say and deport 'em to some remote island! :D :D :D
Seriously, a good article SweatyAussie, and it refers to a study I have referred to here before.
From SweatyAussie's linked article: "A recent Australian study of over 1400 men who have sex with men found that about one third exclusively practised insertive anal sex. In this sub-group, the chance of becoming HIV positive was about 85 per cent less among circumcised men."
Anyone want to call 85% insignificant? :confused: Eh?
Getting rid of those Langerhan's HIV receptor cells on the underside of the foreskin COULD just save your life.
Now it would be remiss of me not to remind you all of the need to use condoms too, BUT circumcision just COULD save your life...or may have already should you be "cut".
I'm off to research the reported reduction in prostrate cancer in circ-ed men. I'd not read these findings or seen the study. Prostrate cancer is a huge killer of men, ...and one which many will have to face in later years. It can be genetically inherited too.
"Treatments", (such as they are at present), are NOT good for the sex life unfortunately. ( Care for a permanent "limp-on"? :eek: )
Anything that may help prevent the onset would be welcome.

[The Bondsman]

I have always been able to pull my foreskin back never was tight where I couldnt.
Consider yourself very lucky trunkbrief! Please remember there are many who are not so fortunately gifted.
I was taught when I was little how wash properly.
Again may I say how lucky you were to have parents, ...I'm assuming it was they, ...who taught you. Again I ask you to remember there are many parents who for religious reasons or out of embarrassment will NOT discuss or educate their children about anything at all to do with sexual matters. Sadly, the kids are too shy to ask or complain when things go wrong. You have no idea how long kids, and even adults will put up with the problems "down there" and not seek medical help due to embarrassment.
As for washing? I WAS going to say that here on this board, we are probably a fastidious group by nature, but then I remembered the popularity of wearing other feller's very well used underwear, and the "skiddie" lovers, so that example probably doesn't strengthen my case.
Out there in the general population cleaniness is not as universal as you might imagine. Just take a simple observation of bloke's fingernails. It's easy enough to keep them clean, but do they bother? What about ears? Again, simple to clean but the number of patients who present with heavly impacted wax and gunk would amaze you.
Cleaning UNDER foreskins comes WAY down the list, ...a quick soap of the crutch, and a turnaround under the shower seems to do for most teen boys.
No, I'm very much afraid it's a case of out of sight, out of mind!
Despite being in the 21st century, people are not as fastidious about personal hygiene as you might imagine. Just use your nose next time you're in a crowded bus, train or lift! True? :eek:
I am very comfortable with my foreskin.
So you should be, .....I'm certainly not demanding it's removal! Surely you don't think that the case? :confused:
Bondsman just because some of us guys are not cut does not mean our dicks are going to fall off or cancer is going to attack our dicks.
Of course not! That would be absurd.

Well certainly not ALL of you, anyway! But believe me when I say that I am 100% sure it WILL happen to SOME of you, ..understand? (Albeit a minority!). There is a difference you know. These are not one-in-a-billion cases I'm talking about. It DOES happen, ....enough to make doctors report it ...and it happens to uncirc-ed blokes far more than cut blokes.
Medical fact!
You draw you own conclusions for yourself please. That's not for me to do.

Even if nothing happens to you at all, ever, EVER, (and I certainly wish that's the case), ......do you care about your sexual partner's health at all?
Just a question for thought. We must each make our own decisions based on knowledge, NOT heresay, or old-wive's tales, but facts. It's up to all of us to interpret them too, ...and sometimes this may not always be comfortable.

[trunkbrief]

Again I ask you to remember there are many parents who for religious reasons or out of embarrassment will NOT discuss or educate their children about anything at all to do with sexual matters.
Very true but I wish people were not so ashamed of the human body and embarrassed about it.
Again may I say how lucky you were to have parents, ...I'm assuming it was they,
Yes it was my parents mostly my mom
Out there in the general population cleaniness is not as universal as you might imagine. Just take a simple observation of bloke's fingernails. It's easy enough to keep them clean, but do they bother? What about ears? Again, simple to clean but the number of patients who present with heavly impacted wax and gunk would amaze you.
Cleaning UNDER foreskins comes WAY down the list, ...a quick soap of the crutch, and a turnaround under the shower seems to do for most teen boys.
Yes, I see this at work and it is amazing how many grown men do not wash after using the bathroom VERY SCARY. IF THEY DO THAT MUCH
Just use your nose next time you're in a crowded bus, train or lift! True?
VERY VERY TRUE ALOT OF THAT AT WORK.
So you should be, .....I'm certainly not demanding it's removal! Surely you don't think that the case?
I know thats not the case, but I was made fun of in grade school because I wasnt like them. I took me a long time to accept myself not being circ-ed. I talked to my mom when that happened and asked her why I was not like the other boys. My doctor wanted to wait until I was 3 or 6 months old to do it and she said NO.
It DOES happen, ....enough to make doctors report it ...and it happens to uncirc-ed blokes far more than cut blokes.
Medical fact!
So circ-ed or uncirc-ed can get cancer agreed
Even if nothing happens to you at all, ever, EVER, (and I certainly wish that's the case), ......do you care about your sexual partner's health at all?
Yes I sure do, my wife can get cervical cancer without it being my fault, some cancers are hereditary.
I have never been with a man but its something I would like to try, but if my wife ever found out that I have these desires she would flip.

[AZTanDan]

First off I am not a Doctor either... I just like to sue them!

Regardless of your PERSONAL feelings there is more than ample documentation supporting the removal of the foreskin. However, if I may invoke a bit of personal preference here.

1. The dang thing is just plain ugly. :shocked
2. It prevents that luscious definitive look under body conforming/revealing swimwear, workout wear, and underwear. :(
3. Finally, I find them smelly, repulsive, and a great mood killer! :mad:

You have each given your opinion... there is mine. :D

[The Bondsman]

However, if I may invoke a bit of personal preference here.
1. The dang thing is just plain ugly. :shocked
2. It prevents that luscious definitive look under body conforming/revealing swimwear, workout wear, and underwear. :(
3. Finally, I find them smelly, repulsive, and a great mood killer! :mad:
You have each given your opinion... there is mine. :D
Simple points, ...simply stated! :D
And yes, of course you are more then entitled to them!
Shot the shit out of my posts in three lines! ;) :D
Don't know whether to crack up laughing, ...or nominate you for the Congressional Medal of Honour for Bravery!
And there was I, all so technical and medical, trying not to offend anyone!
May I say I truly admire your balls AZTanDan, .......talk about "CUT" to the chase....! :rolleyes: ;) :D

[The Bondsman]

First of all apologies trunkbrief for cleaning up your above reply. I didn't change any of your words, but I had to repair the quotes as they had somehow become mixed up in your own writings. I think you'll find all is as you intended now. Cheers! TheB
but I was made fun of in grade school because I wasnt like them. I took me a long time to accept myself not being circ-ed.
Hey there! Were you waving your little uncut sword around in grade school trunkbrief? :eek:
How sad it is that in an age which pretends to celebrate individuality, the pressure to conform is still so strong! I love my cut, .....and proudly wear it amongst all those younger intact poor unfortun...., oh; sorry! :eek: :D :D
Yes I sure do, my wife can get cervical cancer without it being my fault, some cancers are hereditary.
Yes, it can indeed be, .....but statistically it's more likely to come from contact with the HVP, which is why here in OZ, an nationwide innoculation programme has been carried out on young, supposedly virginal girls. Sadly for older already sexually active women such as your wife, it doesn't work if you have already been exposed to the warty little bugger of a virus.
I have never been with a man but its something I would like to try, but if my wife ever found out that I have these desires she would flip.
Hmmm, probably best NOT to confess all at this stage then, eh?
But don't worry, we all have these fantasies. Even a confirmed poof such as myself once has, in the distant past, tried to imagine what it might be like to do it with a ....a.....gulp, woman!
(Oh, wash yer mouth out with soap, Bondy! What depravity are you admitting here?)
Don't worry folks! That was one little scenario VERY quickly consigned to the delete bin when I reverted to my senses and realised women do NOT possess dicks! :eek: :rolleyes: :D
What the hell does one play with, ....or suck? :o :confused:
I am most definitely NOT one to be fobbed off with those ......eh, .....tits! :mad: But I digress. Apologies!
Still, again I find it sad that so many married men harbour same-sex fantasies that they will probably never act upon.
Get to see some gay porn, .....Preferably NOT the heavy fisting type :eek: , and see if you .....er, ...like it so to speak! Your own dick will certainly tell you!
Not that I'd ever countenance encouraging marital infidelity at all mind you, :rolleyes: ;) .....but I hate the thought of anyone making it to the final end with regrets. And remember, the outward signs of sexual desirability fade as we age......bugger it!

[trunkbrief]

Thank You Very Much Bond

[unctX]

Uncut here.

[InDNile]

I have to agree with AZ...I don't find the uncut look at all attractive, which sucks, since I'm not circumsized myself...

I do take issue with the cleanliness aspect, however. I make certain my member is thoroughly clean, in fact that's my favorite part of taking a shower. After all, it's mine, I can wash it as fast or as slow as I want to...

[The Bondsman]

I have to agree with AZ...I don't find the uncut look at all attractive, which sucks, since I'm not circumsized myself...
So easily fixed, .....make an appointment on the way out.....! :D :D :D
I do take issue with the cleanliness aspect, however. I make certain my member is thoroughly clean, .
As I said above, I WAS going to use this very group as an example of fastidious adherents to cleanliness, ...but then I remember the popularity of all those dirty, sweaty, pissy underwear swapping, and "skiddie" loving threads here on site! :eek: :eek: :eek:
Still, nice to know some of us look after the old hygiene bit ...eh? ;) :D :D :D
Keep up the good work, .....oh, and remember, it's never too late to be "done"!!! :D :D :D

[InDNile]

Hmmm...Now that I've finally gotten good at using it, I don't think I want to screw with the system. But thanks for the encouragement anyway, Bondy...

[Cheeky Red5]

Uncut, but but being clean isn't that hard is it?

[InDNile]

Uncut, but but being clean isn't that hard is it?

I don't think its difficult...It's more fun in the tub than playing with my rubber ducky!

[AZTanDan]

It seems I may have committed the cardinal sin of generalizing. To those who remain intact, but exercise personal cleanliness to some interesting ends I applaud you.

My remarks were aimed more at those who only take care of their bodies during months that have a R in them. I have had the misfortune of meeting a few of those, and then the dialogue never got past OMG What is that Smell?!!!! :eek:

[km4bi]

I am uncut and love it. would love to try another uncut guy. any takers? send me a message. and anyone married out here? I am kinda pursuing my options. My wife knows im curious, but I dont know how much she knows. hit me up guys.

[AZTanDan]

I am uncut and love it ... any takers?

Any further elaboration would be pointless.

[INTRIGADO]

i am cut, but i really enjoy sucking and uncut guy... my guy is uncut, jijiji

[The Bondsman]

I am uncut and love it. would love to try another uncut guy. any takers? send me a message. and anyone married out here? I am kinda pursuing my options. My wife knows im curious, but I dont know how much she knows. hit me up guys.
...and if you are willing to betray your own wife, why should we trust you?
If she finds out about your planned dalliances, perhaps you could lose more than your damn foreskin you seem so proud of!:eek:

[manfluff]

I'm uncut. I'm living the US but I wasn't from here and circumcision wasn't something of the norm in Vietnam. However, my childhood friend was circumcised and we often went to the bathroom together. I remember I would get so fascinated looking at his cut piece of meat.

Now, I can swing either way. Cock is cock to me and it's hot no matter if it's got a hood or not. Sometimes I have a preference of one or the other, but it just depends on what I'm horny for at the time.

[deep in texas]

I am cut (thanks Mom and Dad!) and had my son circumcised when he was born. It's what I prefer and I don't have "foreskin-envy."

That said, I tell my patients that the penis works fine either way--cut or uncut. If they're not having problems, circ is not needed. If they are having problems, usually infection (balanitis), irritation, or tight foreskin (phimosis), circ is the most definitive treatment. Sometimes they want to try more conservative approaches, e.g. topical creams or limited surgery, e.g. a slit in the foreskin. But what looks best and works best is adult circ. It's done under anesthesia and it's well-tolerated. Usually back to sex in 3-4 weeks. Rarely do these patients tell me it has adversely affected their sex life. Circ can decrease somewhat the sensitivity of the glans, but the patients almost always tell me they can hold back longer before cumming and like this, as do their partners.

I see occasional problems related to circ, but they are rare. I see many, many more problems in uncircumcised men. The oldest guy I ever circ'ed was 89--he did great and was happy with the result.

Awful things can live inside the foreskin (yuk!) and I lecture my patients almost daily to wash carefully and don't get lazy as they get older.

And yes, penile cancer occurs almost exclusively in uncirc'ed men. They are associated with HPV, the wart virus. Circ later in life does not decrease the risk of penile CA, but it makes it obvious and hard for the guy to ignore. He's usually in quickly to see us. I have seen 3 penile skin CA develop in men with newborn circs. They developed in penile warts, were easily removed (in the OR), left only a small scar, and a normal, very functional and attractive (if I do say so myself) penis. I have seen men with advanced penile CA die from the disease (all were uncirc'ed).

So, after this long-winded lecture, everything you never really wanted to know about your penis, but absolutely have to know, take good care of your cut or uncut penis, practice safer sex, and HAVE fun.

And guys, especially you 18-40 year olds, do monthly testicular self exam! If you feel a lump or sense a change that wasn't there before, SEE YOUR DOC ASAP. Most turn out to be benign things, but some will be very treatable, very curable testis CA.

[The Bondsman]

Thank you deep in texas for that most thorough and professional summation of the various aspects. It's always good to hear from those who know, .....and not the "old wives tales".
Awful things can live inside the foreskin (yuk!) .
Forgive me if I expand on your most discrete statement. There are more than 200 types of HPV alone, not to mention those other nasties.
Types 6 and 11 cause genital and anal warts; while anal cancer is commonly associated with HPV types 16 and 18.

Warning: Descriptions follow which may cause alarm.
What you can do:
Close sexual partners can play a role by checking each others butt.
(It's a bit hard to do it yourself!)
Examine for any warts of course, but also look for skin areas that might be different in colour, shape and size.
Notice any areas that appear blotchy, inflamed and reddish, or even paler (whiter) than the surrounding skin. Check inside up to two or three centimetres, just past the entire sphincter ring by gently prying open the anal ring with your fingers.
If you, or your partner feel something odd, then get it checked out by your doctor. Usually it's something quite ordinary, (like hemorrhoids) but the earlier any changes are detected the likelihood of better treatment outcomes.

Now if you still feel like sex after all that, go ahead!:D:D:D:D

Do be aware that anal cancer is proving to be a greater problem in those with HIV, ..or otherwise compromised immune systems.
Do not be unduly concerned that ALL HPV infections will lead to anal cancer.
This is not an epidemic and to put it in perspective, the rates are about the same in the general population (that means ALL men), as prostate and bowel cancer, .....HOWEVER, gay men are suddenly showing a much higher rate of anal cancer than str8 men, particularly if they are playing a passive sexual role.
Whether this sudden increase above the norm we are seeing in gay men is due to the current fad NOT to circumcise, resulting in a more direct deposit of the virus in the anus, or to greater willingness of patients to tell their doctors more about their sex lives, I'll leave to your own deduction.
Me? I think it's to do with there being more foreskins out there now, .....but hey, ....what hell would I know?:confused::rolleyes:

[deep in texas]

As always, Bondsman has a wealth of info.

Yes, anal CA is associated with HPV and, caught early, it can be treated. Anal warts should be removed by your surgeon/colorectal surgeon. If there are outer warts, there are probably inner warts, which your doc can visualize in the office. :moon (C'mon, it's not that bad.) And then he will monitor you and catch any recurrence early.

This is NOT a substitute for safer sex. Please play safe.

And penile/anal warts should be removed by you doc. Do NOT use over the counter wart removal solutions/agents. (We are professionals--do not try this at home.) They don't work and can damage the genital skin. Plus your doc can biopsy 1 of the warts to make sure it's not a pre-cancer or early cancer. Again, not that bad. I recommend a urologist or a dermatologist. Don't be embarrassed. Yes, we have seen these before. Some of my most grateful patients are the ones who come in with a bunch of these warts, I get them all taken care of, and the penis is nice and normal and attractive again. :)

By the way, just because you don't see warts doesn't mean the virus is not there. And they can show up YEARS after the exposure--doesn't mean anyone has necessarily been unfaithful.

[The Bondsman]

By the way, just because you don't see warts doesn't mean the virus is not there. And they can show up YEARS after the exposure--doesn't mean anyone has necessarily been unfaithful.
Loved the "rider"!
Saves all those volatile bedroom accusations?;););)
I do think it would be quite a sensible thing to innoculate ALL the young, ...boys and girls. Hang the cost. Cancer is cancer, and treatments tend NOT to be pretty.
*Remember, the innoculation has to be carried out BEFORE you have contact with HPV, ...it's no good after.

(Apologies too. I just noticed that above I actually referred to "prostRate" cancer!:shocked:o
Hah! Can't believe I did that!
No, it's not a new form you catch by laying down, .....it's just that as I have confessed here before, I am a truly lousy typist! That bloody little "r" is right there next to the "t" on my keyboard, and it just slipped in. I have since corrected this monumental blooper. Sorry fellers!:o:o)

[INTRIGADO]

you know i am medicine doctor, i do general practice.

I am surpriesed, i am even mor convinced that tv is a powerfull thing. Here we are sayed that the united states is great, education technology, thing like that. but while i was growing up and studying i was thinking it could not be the way they made us to think.

now i read here, and i read so much missinformation, i can believed. dont make me wrong, i think yours is a great country, and will love to know it. but i thought you all have a first hand sexual, and health education, and free and open minded thinking.

now i see it is so wrong

[deep in texas]

Intrigado,
Don't judge all of us based on the thoughts and actions of a few of us. I wouldn't judge all Panamanians based on the thoughts of a few.

The level of education in the USA is diverse. Yes, we have bright people with enlightened, liberal, responsible ideas. We also have dim bulbs with closed, hateful minds. We have wonderful technology and abject poverty.

We have great healthcare with extremely uneven distribution. How else do we have 46 million uninsured people? No insurance often means no health care until an emergency arises. Then the patient presents to the ER, care is rendered, he runs up huge bills, virtually never pays them, the doctor works for free (despite our ever increasing overhead), and takes a large medicolegal risk. So, all of the US is not great, but parts are.

Bondsman,
Yes, I caught the "prostrate," but of course knew what you meant. This misspelling is extremely common and I don't worry about it.

P.S. How did we get on this subject in a poll about cut vs. uncut?

[INTRIGADO]

dear deep in texas, i got your idea, and don't missunderstand me i am not judging any of you, because like in everywhere there is beautiness and uglyness, i think.

i knew about your "special" healthcare system based on insurances, by a friend of mine who is doing its residency in new york, she is very very smart, and we have talk about all the diferences.

but my point is, and it is true, that the united states of america sells and image of itself, quite different, and we here are very missinformed, many people think of you as completely free land for happyness and it is not.

man you call yourself "america" like is not other country in the whole continent, it is like calling europe to spain

[bulgeboy]

I'm uncut like everyone else in my family apart from my little cousin

[The Bondsman]

I'm uncut like everyone else in my family apart from my little cousin
So how come he had all the luck?
Interesting, (but a little scary too), to learn that your Mother and any other females in your family are uncut!
You certainly do have an unusual family!

[deusex]

Oh, Bondsman.

Must you take things so literally?

Bulgeboy, pity about your little cousin. ;)

[The Bondsman]

Oh, Bondsman.
Must you take things so literally?
Sometimes it takes something just like the above to induce a comment from you!;):p D:D
It so damn hard to get a rise out of anyone round here now with SweatyAussie gone, ...and you so busy!:p;)
Bulgeboy, pity about your little cousin. ;)
Yeah, well I guess in these tough economic times, larger families may not be able to afford to have ALL the males "improved" so-to-speak, ....so some of the less fortunate just have to put up with all their droopy epidermal excess baggage and envious though they may be, cope as best they can. ;):D:D
Never mind though, when times get better, and budgets improve, beautification can still be done on those who have missed out......even in Canada!:p:rolleyes:

[deep in texas]

Bondsman is correct--we probably should be giving the HPV vaccines Gardasil and Cervarix to boys as well as girls. Because where do girls get HPV? FROM BOYS! There is some evidence that Gardasil protects boys as well as girls from the 4 most dangerous HPV types. It has to be given BEFORE sexual contact with a partner begins. Sorry--so far no evidence that it helps after a person has contracted the virus(es). And in males HPV is associated with penile and anal cancer.

In the USA it is not approved in boys. Why? 'Cause insurance does not want to pay for it!! (It is expensive.) Typical pinheads here.

From Wikipedia:
"In the UK, HPV vaccines are licensed for boys aged 9–15.[44] Merck, the maker of Gardasil, is expected to ask the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for permission to market the vaccine in the United States for boys and men ages 9–26.[2] The vaccine is already available in the United States and can be used off label for the vaccination of males."

Some have even proposed that gay men receive Gardasil since they are at increased risk of anal CA (i.e. exposure of the anus to HPV). Don't know the best advice there at this point.

When Dubya was still in office, the federal government would only support programs that preached abstinence as the best and only way to prevent STDs and pregnancy. DUH!! Only problem-- YOUNG PEOPLE DON'T ABSTAIN. (Double-duh). Nor do we older folk. Hopefully with Obama this will change.

So guys, when you're going out (or staying in) don't forget your rubbers!

[bulgeboy]

I think my little cousin had to get cut because he had problems retracting his foreskin

[The Bondsman]

I think my little cousin had to get cut because he had problems retracting his foreskin
Some guys have all the luck.....!;) ;) :D :D

[The Bondsman]

When Dubya was still in office, the federal government would only support programs that preached abstinence as the best and only way to prevent STDs and pregnancy. DUH!!
I'm truly surprised Dubbya didn't get HPV infections around his neck!
He had his head up his arse for so long!
(Probably the only way he could have a face-to-face chat with our human haemorrhoid John Howard!:eek:)

[hangright]

Having read the post from the start,it is actually enough to put anyone off sex altogether.
I am uncircumcised,but having read all this subject,it has made me feel rather sick,some men are lax with hygeine.
some use the toilet(sitting)and do not wash their hands after.
To prove this,look at the soap afterwards,if its wet and moves off sink easy,they have washed but if its dry or wet but stuck to sink,they havent washed.
So if they do not wash here,why will they bother elsewhere.
All most guys want is ...just to empty their balls and then go to sleep.

I know i will be critisised for this but it had to be said...
But in our defence,women are not clean either,how many wear the same bra all week,how hygenic are they when it comes to washing,having worked in a hospital years ago,the number of women coming in with a tampax stuck inside their flower,saying they forgot it was there,how disgusting is that.
BONDSMAN will have me for this but i look forward to his reply.
He has a beautiful CUT cock.
Its lovely and smooth,all the same colour unlike some.
I like men with cut or uncut cocks,i just have not meet many cut cocks.

[The Bondsman]

BONDSMAN will have me for this but i look forward to his reply.
Bondsman will NOT "have you" for saying this at all!
He agrees with every single thing you have said!
Having read the post from the start,it is actually enough to put anyone off sex altogether.
No, that was not the intention. The intention was to make people more aware of the issues, .....and not just go on believing "old wive's tales" such as someone's mum(:eek:) said it was less sensitive!
Just what the hell any woman would know about this is any one's guess!
some men are lax with hygeine.
I belive that was the point that deep in texas and I were making.....if they can't even wash their hands, what chance does somewhere a bit more inaccessible have of being clean?
the number of women coming in with a tampax stuck inside their flower,saying they forgot it was there,how disgusting is that. I have long since become quite unshockable as to the capacity of those "flowers" you keep mentioning, (Penis fly traps?), after seeing a very tacky "show" in S.E. Asia where a woman came out on stage totally nude and proceeded to get dressed in a reverse strip. The amazing point of the act was she kept putting on the garments she extracted from her.....er, ...."flower"! (Turned out it must have been more like a bloody steamer trunk!)
The bra, suspender belt, stockings, frock and hat were produced of course, but when the pair of shoes came out, yours truly had to leave or lose his dinner!
He has a beautiful CUT cock.
Its lovely and smooth,all the same colour unlike some.
Why thank you hangright, ......you sure say the nicest things!;) :D
Must admit, ...Dearest Boyf is very partial to it!

[pnhmrk]

He has a beautiful CUT cock.


How'd you find that out ? :confused: I didn't know that it was on show anywhere :eek:

[BONNIE2006]

my mum would never of allowed such a thing in our house what the lord gave you was what you was ment to have so im uncut. dont think ide like to be cut.;)

[hangright]

How'd you find that out ? :confused: I didn't know that it was on show anywhere :eek:

If you visit australia,you will find out.I admired his gorgeous,cut cock,full and rather well hung,with his parteners permission.
But as he has a partener,i would not go further,if he was single,well,that will be another story in the future.
I would never go with someone if he has a partener,that is just not done.

[FTL_Lover]

I'm cut and I prefer cocks that are cut.

Not to get too graphic, but sex with a uncut cock (on the receiving end) isn't as good as with a cut cock. The cock can move in and out of the foreskin and the receiver doesn't feel much. I'm sure it feels good for the giver, but...

But in the end (no pun intended) it's all good...

[deusex]

The cock can move in and out of the foreskin and the receiver doesn't feel much. I'm sure it feels good for the giver, but..

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Unless maybe your partner sticks it in and just giggles it about. The foreskin firstly isn't that thick, and second, it's whole purpose is to retract.

I know it's your opinion but it comes off that you're stating a scientific fact.

[BONNIE2006]

:p[QUOTE=deusex;42487]That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Unless maybe your partner sticks it in and just giggles it about. The foreskin firstly isn't that thick, and second, it's whole purpose is to retract.

./QUOTE]


laugh i quiet agree with you deusex

[FTL_Lover]

Stating scientific fact? Please...

My preference, and my experience...

[The Bondsman]

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Perhaps not.....FTL_Lover may indeed have a point within his experience.
The foreskin firstly isn't that thick,
Perhaps you haven't seen all that many? There are indeed some SO thick you could feed a third world country on them for a week! They are certainly not all little thin skins you may be familiar with.
and second, it's whole purpose is to retract.
And there are some that are SO long and thick that in reality they don't retract, ever.....even when erect, unless forcibly held back somehow.
Sure it's purpose may be to retract as you say, ....but it manages to always hang forward like an old man's nightcap, .....it would be difficult for any thrusting to make the glans emerge at all.
Thus, as FTL_Lover has noticed, all the action takes place inside the skin.
As I mentioned above, foreskins are certainly not all neat little hoods that allow the tip of the glans to be permanently exposed, .....some can be far more reminiscent of a plump sausage roll with far too much pastry concealing the meat.
I WAS going to post several pics of good examples here to demonstrate, but thought better of it.:o :o ;) :D

[Tall Jack]

My dad was cut - my mum liked it, so I was cut as a baby, though the doctor left the skin attached as a kind of beard - very unusual, I find!:but I had no choice oin the matter - but I've always liked the sight of a fine round, purple head....

At my (all boys) school we divided ourselves into "Roundheads" (cut) and "Cavaliers" (uncut) though did not re-enact the English Civil War every time!

What these post show is that we men come in a wonderful variety - all worth exploring

[deusex]

Perhaps not.....FTL_Lover may indeed have a point within his experience.

I'm sure he's had bad luck with his uncut partners, I was just debating his blanket statement that uncut dicks don't feel good in your ass.

Perhaps you haven't seen all that many?

Do you forget the industry (porn) I was in before I decided to become a jockstrap inspector? I wasn't exactly an angel over the past 40 years (well 26 sexually active years).

There are indeed some SO thick you could feed a third world country on them for a week! They are certainly not all little thin skins you may be familiar with.

And there are some cut dicks that are so small they couldn't make an knat's anus feel pleasure and some that are more pointing then mushroom headed that slide in a like a pencil.

I'm not saying that cut dicks don't feel good, in fact I know they feel good, I'm just saying that uncut dicks can feel just as good. In fact I volunteer out my partners wonderful 8 inch thick uncut dick to anyone who wants to offer themselves as a guinea pig (for scientific reasons, of course). I can guarantee it'll be one of the best fucks of thier lives. (maybe I should tell Versexx about this first, but he's such a horny guy I'm sure he won't mind) ;)

[SweatyAussie]

In fact I volunteer out my partners wonderful 8 inch thick uncut dick to anyone who wants to offer themselves as a guinea pig (for scientific reasons, of course). I can guarantee it'll be one of the best fucks of thier lives. (maybe I should tell Versexx about this first, but he's such a horny guy I'm sure he won't mind) ;)
I should say so!

Talk about putting words in someone's mouth, if I am permitted a mixed metaphor.:shocked

[deusex]

Talk about putting words in someone's mouth

It's not quite like putting words in someone's mouth, it's putting something somewhere, but not the mouth. ;)

[The Bondsman]

In fact I volunteer out my partners wonderful 8 inch thick uncut dick to anyone who wants to offer themselves as a guinea pig
You're very free with your partner's ....er, ...."services" there!;)
Such philanthropy!
Still, I must decline, ....attractive as such an offer is of course, but there's currently an exclusive lease on my testing facilities, with a further option to purchase. The current lease holder seems more than happy with the facilities, ....and of course there's also the matter of downsizing I'd have to consider if your offer is for only eight inches; .....and that measurement I presume includes the foreskin, which of course I would just be discarding anyway?;) :D

[deusex]

and that measurement....

Bitch! From the both of us!

;)

[The Bondsman]

Bitch! From the both of us!

;)
Ooh, you're both SO beautiful when you're angry!:p :p
Now have wild sex, .....so I can watch!:D

[The Bondsman]

My dad was cut - my mum liked it,
You Mum is obviously a woman of amazing taste and culture.
I was cut as a baby, though the doctor left the skin attached as a kind of beard - very unusual,
Unusual indeed, ....I have never seen this before! Why would he do that?
You could, ...and probably should have the bit removed.
I did read of an old codger in Britain undergoing his THIRD circumcision for a whole lot of problems. His THIRD?:eek::confused:
I know the National Health Service is pretty bad in Britain, but surely they can afford to cut the lot off in just the one go? How much foreskin did the old bloke have? It must have rivalled the bloody curtains at Covent Garden!!!:eek:
At my (all boys) school we divided ourselves into "Roundheads" (cut) and "Cavaliers" (uncut) though did not re-enact the English Civil War every time!
Without wishing to be cavalier, you will of course remember that the "Roundheads" won!
Quite fitting I would say; ...although after reading your description of your own half-&-half state, wouldn't that give you a foot in either camp?

What these post show is that we men come in a wonderful variety - all worth exploring
Well in truth we all "come" the same really, .....it's just that some of us are "improved" later!:p ;) :D

[deep in texas]

Sometimes a man is too ill or unstable to undergo a formal circ in the OR, yet the foreskin is so tight or inflamed we must do something at bedside, e.g. in the ICU. In this circumstance we do a “dorsal slit” under local anesthesia. Details will make you cringe but it leaves all the skin behind and exposes the glans. It could easily leave a “beard” under the distal end of the penis.

I don’t like to do this procedure (I don’t like the appearance afterwards) so I favor a formal circ, as soon as it can be accomplished. If the patient who requires a dorsal slit recovers sufficiently (these are usually very ill and/or very elderly patients), I will offer him a circ revision and remove the excess skin. Makes it look better.

Bondsman, this could be why the “old codger in Britain” needed a 3rd circ. Probably these were revisions or he had had a dorsal slit and needed more of a “trim.” Of course, neonatal circ would have obviated all of these problems.

Tall Jack, you may just have some excess—we call it “redundant” (!!??)—foreskin after your circ. This is not a problem in the vast majority of cases and I would not worry about it as long as your penis functions for sex, peeing, looks okay, and hygiene is easy. If you are concerned, see a urologist to have it checked. I have seen this before in my patients and usually they just need reassurance (and feel much better about it afterwards). I agree with your statement: “What these posts show is that we men come in a wonderful variety - all worth exploring.” ;)

[The Bondsman]

In this circumstance we do a “dorsal slit”
A "dorsal slit"????:eek:
Sounds more like gutting a fish to me! :D
It could easily leave a “beard” under the distal end of the penis.
Anything "bearded" down there would remind me of that ghastly expression "bearded clam", ...and without wishing to offend any of our str8 members here (pun intended), ....NO THANKS! :eek:
Bondsman, this could be why the “old codger in Britain” needed a 3rd circ. Probably these were revisions or he had had a dorsal slit and needed more of a “trim.”
If after a dorsal slit, ....(and his second), he was STILL having problems, ....surely it would occur to even the most neurone deficient of National 'elf quacks that the whole damn foreskin should probably come off?
Which would seem FAR less stressful than having three consecutive goes at what should have been a very simple op? Why would you just "trim" a slit the second time, leaving a need for a third anyway? If you were going at it again you'd remove the dags, flaps, danglers, tags and any other extraneous leftovers and do a proper job. Then again, perhaps the doc was being paid by the op, ....and why do just one when you can do three. Forget about unnecessary suffering of the patient, ...I want a whole new set of golf clubs!

....as long as your penis ..... looks okay,
Looks OK? Now I know different blokes have different sets of aesthetics as to what "looks OK", ....BUT speaking purely for myself here you understand, I don't think a penis that has more dangling flaps than a damaged AirBus struggling in for a landing would look all that inviting, specially to put in your mouth!:eek:
I have seen this before in my patients and usually they just need reassurance (and feel much better about it afterwards).
The things people will put up with are just amazing! It never ceases to amaze me that humans will walk around with huge damn disfiguring warts, lumps, and other such surgically implanted sultanas on even their faces, which the simplest of ops could remove.
You must have a most excellent "bed-side manner" doc, .....wish you could bottle it!
I'm afraid "a little tea and sympathy" just wouldn't do it for me in such a case, .....reach for your damn sharpest scalpel and don't be afraid to use it!
I want a cure, ...not a balm for the indecisive....;) :D :D

[Tall Jack]

Thanks for the interest shown in my cut! I am happy with it - all functions work perfectly, and a fine round head is fully visible. OK Bondsman would not find the little extra attractive - but that's not my problem! Many guys have found it intriguing, and I can only remember one who thought it a problem. As I was cut when only a few days old I've no idea what was in the mind of the surgeon - but clearly he did not want a tip.

B t w - the UK National Health Service is much maligned - it has served our family excellently: attacks seem to come from extreme right-wingers who clearly think that the poor should not be healthy or live long enough to draw their pensions. Life expectancy in the UK is higher than in the USA!

[onanedger]

Uncut here. Nice foreskin too !!

[tabernash]

You are fortunate to have a foreskin!

[The Bondsman]

As I was cut when only a few days old I've no idea what was in the mind of the surgeon
Neither have I! You certainly would not have been in need of a "dorsal slit" at that tender age....horrible term!
- but clearly he did not want a tip.
...and I certainly would NOT have given him one either!;):D
He didn't finish the job properly in my view. I only tip when fully satisfied with the service.....:D
Life expentancy in the UK is higher than in the USA!
Of that I have absolutely no doubt at all Tall Jack. Many Brits I saw looked damn near "expent" already!

[The Bondsman]

And still the damning research comes in.
Deep in Texas, have you read this?
The research here has just been published that shows that the HPV virus is now clearly implicated in 48% of all breast cancers in women. That's almost half!
Add that to that the fact that the insidious HPV virus is also the major cause of cervical cancer, .....and the prime area where the HPV virus lurks is under the foreskin; why aren't women DEMANDING any dicks wishing to be inserted be circumcised?
You would surely think it would be a high priority for sexually active women, no?
Be careful what you stick into your partner I say.:shocked
Your thoughts, Deep in Texas?

[Daddymandfw]

I am cut but have enough loose skin to look like I am uncut. i have no problems with that and none of my partners have ever had problems with it. My huspuppy loves it so no problems there. Cut or uncut thinks its just a matter of keeping yourself clean. Love 'em wither way

[deep in texas]

Bondsman,
Just saw your post. I did a little research (this is not my area of expertise) and indeed for at least several years HPV DNA has been reported in some breast cancers. It does NOT mean that it caused the cancer to develop. But at least for awhile, we thought this about cervical cancer as well. (Again, I’m not an expert on this.) HPV has been implicated in cancer of the penis, anus, throat, and others. Now a report from Oz that suggests the HPV vaccines may decrease breast cancer risk.

Remember guys, 5% of breast cancers occur in men. Haven’t heard anything about whether HPV is associated with these. Do your breast self exam just like the ladies.

I want to stress that both cut and uncut men can get HPV. Practice SAFER SEX—SAFER SEX—SAFER SEX. The most dangerous HPV subtypes don’t necessarily cause visible warts, although these wart-causing subtypes are often along for the ride. Just because we remove the visible warts does NOT mean the man is “cured.” This virus can remain dormant in the genital skin cells for years before reappearing as visible warts. A depressing stat: as many as 50% of sexually active young people have, or have been exposed to, HPV.

The advantage to a cut penis, especially if done at birth, is a greater resistance to infection with HPV, herpes, HIV, and other STDs. AND if a wart shows up it is often much more obvious to the man, and his partners, and he is in to the office fairly quickly to get it removed.

And yes, some men have more “redundant” (!!??) foreskin left after circ than others. At times they can look uncut. And some uncut men have so little foreskin, they look cut. Ah, penile variety….

Despite the lively and entertaining discussion here, the penis will work fine either way, cut or uncut. Hygiene and close self exam (more fun with a partner) are always helpful.

I’m sure glad Mom and Dad had me circumcised as a baby. :) And I had my son (now 21) circ’d when he was born (no, I didn’t do it myself). No regrets.

[naked444]

un-cut - se for yourself!

[Arbace]

I have always loved uncut cocks particularly ones that just reveal the tip.

I can remember seeing in a West End cafe selling cream doughnuts that were sausage shaped with the cream through the centre, how phallic is that?:cool:

[The Bondsman]

I can remember seeing in a West End cafe selling cream doughnuts that were sausage shaped with the cream through the centre, how phallic is that?:cool:
I think a certain Mr. Sigmund Freud would have much to say about how you see cream doughnuts, ....(so glad you didn't write donuts:rolleyes:!;))
It's the cream bit that worries me!
Do you see the same thing when observing sausage rolls with fat pastry?

[deep in texas]

Actually sounds a bit yeasty to me.:D