To cut or not to cut?

[Comtrag77]

Hey guys,

As I'm reading these posts and looking at all the great pics, I was wondering something . . . is being cut more of an American thing? It seems like most of you guys across the seas somewhere are au naturale. Just wondering if circumcision tends to be more of a Yank thing! Any feedback would be super!

P.S. I personally LOVE uncut cocks, so keep the pics coming, gents!

See this thread:
http://usg-online.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2519

My Mum is British and my Dad is American and I am told they had a bit of an argument about this when I was born. My dad wanted me cut and my Mum didn't. Mum won the argument. Maybe it is an American thing? My friend was cut at 28yrs old and said it was the most painful, then uncomfortable thing he has ever gone through. Nice cock though. :D I have looked through the thread as shown above and can't decide what I really think on the subject. Some people said that it may cause less sensation? Mine is really sensitive with the foreskin back. My foreskin needs to be pushed back as it doesn't go back very easy when erect. I am 8.5" when erect, so must have a pretty big foreskin? Not sure if this is usual with uncut men. Also some people say that the outline under tight underwear looks better on a cut person. I recently put some pictures of myself on the boxerbrief section and had good comments about the outline. Does it actually look that different? :confused: As long as you are clean I don't think it should make any difference.

[deusex]

Nij,

I don't think there's a right or a wrong or a better or worse. Most guys we're cut before they had a choice and so it is what it is. In societies where being cut is the norm an uncut cut will look somewhat bizarre and alien.

Personally, I like dick. Period. cut or uncut just doesn't matter.

(and as you know from the other forum, i'm uncut)

deusex is a man of intelligence and perspicacity! There's just too much fuss made over a tiny flap of skin. Cock is cock is cock, and to cut or not to cut should be of concern only to the individual himself. However, I recall that at one time, I was an advocate of the Dr. David Viscott theory of circumcision: the late Dr. Viscott, who had television and radio shows in which he advised people on all sorts of personal problems, counseled that all brothers within a family should be uniform: if one boy was cut, then they all ought to be. And if one boy was left uncut, then ALL should be uncut. He believed that brothers will naturally compare themselves to one another, and that "the odd man out" so to speak might grow up with feelings of insecurity, stemming from being "different" from his brothers. However, I've known too many, umh, "mixed families" in which the Viscott Effect simply wasn't apparent. In fact, usually, the "odd man out" found his status--whether cut or not--to be a source of pride, and not at all detrimental to his self-image.

In High School the majority of guys were cut,my friends today are all cut except for one.My Dad and my brothers are cut.I think it's a "generation issue",besides it would be less interesting if we were all born with cocks exactly the same.

Well, most of my friends in their 20s are cut, but I am not (since i have an adequate amount of foreskin just to cover up but no excessively so to need to be cut). On the other hand, my cousin who was just born last December was not cut. It seems that now days the doctors are no longer prescribing circumcision at birth since foreskin complications are really not statistically significant and that circumcision tends to desensitize the glans and, when done uncorrectly, interferes with penile development. I believe it's better to leave the option to the child than chopping off a piece of his penis at birth--Ouch!!!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

...my friends in their 20s are cut, but I am not ... my cousin ... just born last December was not cut. It seems that now days the doctors are no longer prescribing circumcision AT BIRTH ... I believe it's better to leave the option to the CHILD chopping off a piece of his penis at birth--Ouch!!!

I capitalized within the quote above for emphasis. Studies of the psychological as well as physiological effects of circumcision at various ages
are interesting. Some believe that it's better when done around puberty, and this is a practice in some societies too, as a boy's coming of age or coming into manhood thing. I tend to agree. Sometime around the so called age of reason (about 7) on up to puberty, a boy is able to comprehend the issue and participate in the decision. If he's already made the decison, and many boys have, that he wants to be circumcised, that shpould be his respected right, and it should be honored... THEN, not after he's grown. Few who make that decidon ever say they regreted it later.
But I bring this up only because many parents that claim to defend the boy's right, when pressed, will admit that they will deny him his right IF he wants to get cut, to protect their own right of control over him as long as he is still a minor. A lot of damage, perhaps irreversable, can occur between age 10 (plus or minus) and age 18. After he's 18, he no longer has to share the locker rooms and showers with his peers and take judgment and abuse from them. Its the senmsitive and impressionable years before that which are crucial here.

Well, in response to Comtrag77's inquiry, I do believe that male genital mutilation is more common in the U.S., than in other Western countries. . . . though I guess it'd be fairly common in Israel, as well. HOWEVER. . . . . and this is not in any way meant to antagonize, inflame, or otherwise vex and annoy, my dear friend the Bondsman, but just as female genital mutilation is rightly condemned by the civilized world, it appears that male genital mutilation (aka circumcision) is following its female counterpart into the unmarked grave of history's discarded lies. Performing a surgical procedure on the very off chance that something just might happen, some years down the road, is definitely becoming a medical no-no, pretty much everywhere. The great majority of circumcisions performed these days are nothing more than cosmetic surgery performed without the patient's consent. If a genuine medical reason exists for the procedure in a specific case, then by all means go for it. If an adult chooses to undergo the procedure, well, that's his right. Otherwise, why subject a non-consenting person to a surgery which is apparently undertaken only for aesthetic reasons?

[The Bondsman]

Speaking strictly as a non-antagonized, non-inflamed, non-vexed or annoyed protagonist in this saga, ....most of what you say JohnH is probably common-sense, ....I do take umbrage at your inclusion of circumcision in even the same sentence as so called female "circumcision", .......which is an abhorrent cultural practice that should offend the decency of the world and be stamped out IMMEDIATELY.
What IS perhaps being deliberatly ignored here is the stats on the increasing incidence of adult circumcision out of a necessity that would have otherwise not arisen ,.....no pun intended.
As has been mentioned here before, this is a painful process to have done when an adult, ...although probably no more so than a Prince Albert one would imagine and I am certainly NOT speaking from experience here. :cool:
I do personally know of four cases of adults having had to have a circumcision in adult life due to phimosis and other associated problems, ...and while they unanimously agree on the benefits of their new-found freedom, they certainly do NOT recommend the process itself as an adult.
As adult males tend to wake up in the normally very enjoyable state of full erection, this is not so good with a new cut and stitches almost right round your dick. However all agree it has been worth it. Two of 'em are str8 and married BTW, and the other two in their early twenties.
The younger guys both wish they'd had it done before....even as adults.
Yes they have shown me their new looks, to see if it matched mine which was done as a child. You would be hard-pressed to tell the difference. Not often you get srt8 guys who want to show you their cocks and have a close look at yours!!!
Now this is just the cases I know, but my medico mates tell me that they are seeing this much more frequently, and the guys are in far more distress. The biggest group to experience problems tend to be adolescents. The worst part is they are too embarrassed around puberty to tell anyone about their dick- problems, ....or think that they are normal until they have real complications that get far more serious, even precluding masturbation or sex. Just imagine being a teenager and not being able to wank!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
There goes about two thirds of their normal pastime!
You hear a lot of argument (mostly from females strangely enough) about the terrible pain and subsequent trauma that will be inflicted on the young baby. I can't even remember mine being done, and I was there, but I sure as hell would remember it as an adult! But then, not being able to function sexually would be a great incentive, no?
I defy anyone here who was circumcised as an infant to even recall one moment of it, ....much less anything other than a mild curiosity over what it might be like to be still in possession of their flap!

There is much more discussion on circumcision on American websites than on European websites. I guess the reason is it is less usual in Europe. Recently, I also saw a discussion about smegma on the following American website:

http://www.straightacting.net/phpbb/...pic.php?t=1730

[gayscotsman]

i dont care cut or uncut as long as it cums with a nice/carring loving man

Circumcision is much more common in the U.S. than in other countries. But the popularity of circumcision is fairly recent. At the end of the 1800's, when most women had children at home with the aid of a midwife, doctors were trying to convince people to give birth in the hospital. Of course, this was more expensive and became a sort of status thing. To differentiate male children born in the hospital, doctors performed circumcision. So, in effect, having a circumcised penis was a status symbol.

Of course, there has been a big backlash against circumcision. There have been "mistakes" made during the process. You've probably seen penises that have nicks or where the skin on the shaft has grown onto the tip of the penis. It can also make the penis bend (although that also happens naturally).

Circumcision is also a Jewish thing. Supposedly this was to prevent infections from sand and dirt that got trapped under the skin. Remember this dates back to before christ. Even though hygene is much better, the tradition lingers.

I'm uncut and love it. I know many, many cut guys who wish they were uncut. I also know a couple of guys who had to be circumcised because the foreskin was too tight.

Personally, I think circumcision is barbaric and parents shouldn't do it. I realize that most guys didn't have a choice in the matter, so I don't hold it against them. I'll still suck their dicks. Anyway, I don't have an aesthetic preference...I just like dick.

There's another reason why MGM (male genital mutilation) became popular in the U.S. during the late 19th century, and it has to do with the puritanical values then dominant, and still prevalent, in the U.S. Masturbation was considered to be a vice, a mental illness, and, of course, a sin. It was believed that eating bland food would curb a teenage boy's need to masturbate; hence, bland foods, such as the Graham cracker, and Kellogg's corn flakes, were devised and recommended by, respectively, Dr. Graham and Dr. Kellogg!

However, it was believed that the greatest temptation to masturbate came in the shower, as boys had to expend a certain time and energy in cleaning the foreskin. Circumcision, it was believed, would reduce the amount of time required to cleanse such sensitive areas; and so the practice became almost universal in the U.S.

I understand that there are indeed sound medical reasons why some men and boys will require this procedure. I just don't believe that it ought to be a routine procedure, performed on all boys at birth.

Hey, It was a way of thinking about 40 years agon. The norm was to be cut at that period but now it has changed. Au natural is more in now.